Merged all things Brady, cheating, bellicheat, etc.

[better days]

For those of you who've been living under a rock...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...icle-1.2099736

Only one of Patriots’ 12 footballs was underinflated by 2 pounds: report
The report is likely too late to save New England in the court of public opinion, although it would seem to make Bill Belichick's mad science from two weeks ago suddenly seem possible.
BY Ebenezer Samuel
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Published: Sunday, February 1, 2015, 7:21 PM

Hours before Super Bowl XLIX kicked off, DeflateGate took yet another turn.

On Sunday morning, the NFL Network reported details of the mysteriously underinflated footballs used by the New England Patriots in the AFC championship game two weeks ago. And according to the report, the controversial footballs were not as egregiously in violation as was originally reported by ESPN. Just one of the Patriots' 12 footballs came in two pounds-per-square-inch under league mandates at halftime of that game, according to the NFL Network. The remaining footballs were "just a few ticks under minimum," the report said.

The report is likely too late to save New England in the court of public opinion, although it would seem to make Bill Belichick's mad science from two weeks ago suddenly seem possible. Initially, Belichick's ramblings of atmospheric pressure seemed a wild excuse, and he was crushed by many true scientific experts, in part because initial reports claimed that 11 of the Patriots' 12 footballs measured a full two-pounds-per-square-inch below league regulations. If the footballs were just slightly under minimum, his theories - as well as Tom Brady's claim that he couldn't tell the difference in the feel of the football during the game - suddenly could be credible.

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In other words, EVERY SINGLE football except one was UNDERINFLATED.

Who cares how much it was?

You can be just a tad over the legal limit & get a DWI.

[Mr. Pink]

For those who don't buy any of this story or think the Pats did something egregiously wrong, you do realize that if you inflate a ball to a certain pressure and then leave it exposed to the elements for an hour and a half to two hours it's gonna lose a couple ounces of pressure, right? If you don't buy this take a football or basketball for that matter, with a pressure gauge inflate it to an exact amount, leave it outside for 2 hours and then bounce it around a little every once in a while, throw into the side of your house, slam it into the ground, then check the pressure again...it's gonna be lower. If the league mandate is 12.5psi before the game, it very easily could be 12.1psi at halftime, which would be a few ticks below.

Now, the only ball that is found 2psi below pressure is the ball that the Indianapolis handled on their sideline, after their GM who lets face it would have absolutely no idea if the ball is inflated properly or not complained to the NFL about it, then they turned it over to the NFL.

You know who's gonna end up with egg on their face over this, or should, the Colts.

But public opinion is public opinion and it's fun to hate the Pats because they keep winning in a league that's driven by parity. Even now after this information is put out there people are saying that Kraft is strong arming the commish and whitewashing the situation

In the court of public opinion, the Pats are already guilty...just like they were guilty in Spygate of taping other team's practices. Except they didn't tape other team's practices and the only rule that they technically violated is where they videotaping the oppositions sideline from.

[yordad]

Why would who reported it matter? The balls were deflated. That's what matters. Unless u think the colts gm deflated 11 balls then ur just a moron.

[coastal]

It's a proven fact that repeating "it's just that simple, it's just that simple, it's just that simple..." over and over increases the certainty of it's truth.

Everyone knows that...

i need a blad of grass for perspective.

[feldspar]

Most people are idiots.

Most people would agree with that.

[better days]

For those who don't buy any of this story or think the Pats did something egregiously wrong, you do realize that if you inflate a ball to a certain pressure and then leave it exposed to the elements for an hour and a half to two hours it's gonna lose a couple ounces of pressure, right? If you don't buy this take a football or basketball for that matter, with a pressure gauge inflate it to an exact amount, leave it outside for 2 hours and then bounce it around a little every once in a while, throw into the side of your house, slam it into the ground, then check the pressure again...it's gonna be lower. If the league mandate is 12.5psi before the game, it very easily could be 12.1psi at halftime, which would be a few ticks below.

Now, the only ball that is found 2psi below pressure is the ball that the Indianapolis handled on their sideline, after their GM who lets face it would have absolutely no idea if the ball is inflated properly or not complained to the NFL about it, then they turned it over to the NFL.

You know who's gonna end up with egg on their face over this, or should, the Colts.

But public opinion is public opinion and it's fun to hate the Pats because they keep winning in a league that's driven by parity. Even now after this information is put out there people are saying that Kraft is strong arming the commish and whitewashing the situation

In the court of public opinion, the Pats are already guilty...just like they were guilty in Spygate of taping other team's practices. Except they didn't tape other team's practices and the only rule that they technically violated is where they videotaping the oppositions sideline from.

Well, NONE of the Colts footballs were found to be underinflated! Not a single one!

I'm pretty sure the Colts footballs were subject to the same conditions the Pats* footballs were with the exception of having someone let the air out of them.

[CommissarSpartacus]

Well, NONE of the Colts footballs were found to be underinflated! Not a single one!

I'm pretty sure the Colts footballs were subject to the same conditions the Pats* footballs were with the exception of having someone let the air out of them.

The Colts and the Pats prepare their own balls.

If the Patriots fill them to 12.5 for the indoor check and the Colts fill them to 13.5 and they all lose a pound because of the temp, the Pat's balls are at 11.5 and the Colts are at 12.5.

Please, TRY to think about it.

And we STILL don't have an explanation for WHY the Colts GM decided to make an issue of this DURING the game.

Not BEFORE the game, but during it.

Do you REALLY think this only occurred to him during the first quarter? Don't be silly.

[CommissarSpartacus]

Most people would agree with that.

Do you?

[CommissarSpartacus]

http://indysportscentral.com/2015/01...-championship/

Grigson dismisses ‘Deflate-Gate’ but not the AFC Championship
Posted 5:38 pm, January 23, 2015, by Larry Hawley,

INDIANAPOLIS – Somehow, someway a forgettable day on the NFL’s second biggest stage has been, well, forgotten.

Few people are talking about the fact that the Colts were once again manhandled by the Patriots on the field last Sunday in a 45-7 loss that ended a Super Bowl dream over the course of a 60 minute nightmare.

Nothing like a little air to take the pressure off the Colts right? Well Ryan Grigson doesn’t really see it that way.

“Just to cut you guys off at the pass about the ball deflation issues, that’s obviously, like I told all you guys, it’s in the league’s hands and that’s where I’m at with that,” said Grigson on the ever-developing “Deflate-Gate”, the controversy surrounding the lack of inflation of the footballs used by the Patriots on Sunday.

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“It’s about getting to the Super Bowl and winning it because I’ve been to three and I’ve won one. Getting there and losing, it’s not good,” said Grigson. “You’ve got to get there and you’ve got to win it. You’ve got to find a way to win.”

Especially against the Patriots who have run wild-almost literally during his time with the Colts. The Patriots now have five-straight wins over Grigson’s teams and none have been closer than 21 points. It’s a common foe for longtime Colts fans who watched New England dash championship dreams on a number of occasions in the mid-2000s and it brings up similar issues.

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So, was Ryan Grigson trying to "find a way to win"?

He knew that Brady liked the balls soft so would only fill them to 12.5.

He knew that out in the cold, the pressure would drop, and the Pats balls would then be under.

And consider ONLY ONE BALL was 2 psi under, the ball that was in the Colts possession before they turned it over along with their accusation.

So, does Grigson get a Colts ballboy to quickly ***** the ball that D'Qwell Jackson turns over and then hand it to the refs?

And does he then let Grigson know it's done so Grigson can start calling the league, demanding an investigation?

Remember, the game was close at halftime and the possibility the refs pull all of Brady's game balls for the second half could be seen as a pretty slick piece of gamesmanship....

[CommissarSpartacus]

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/stor...gland-patriots

Boomer Esiason: Colts, Ravens coordinated Deflate-gate to embarrass Tom Brady

Jordan Heck Perform Media
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February 4, 2015 4:02pm EST

Thought the Deflate-gate takes were over? Think again.

NFL analyst Boomer Esiason was on the Toucher & Rich radio show Wednesday morning to discuss a number of topics. One of the subjects he talked about was the Deflate-gate situation involving the Patriots.

Both the Colts and Ravens claimed the Patriots used deflated footballs against them in the playoffs. According to Esiason the two teams coordinated with one another to "embarrass Tom Brady."

“If you notice, Harbaugh never went after Bill Belichick and never said anything negative about him as a coach for the previous two weeks leading up to the Super Bowl. Next week the Patriots are playing the Colts, and their head coach is Chuck Pagano, who was once defensive coordinator under John Harbaugh and the Ravens. They’re all close and they’re all tight,” explained Esiason. “This is what I believe happened: they all wanted to embarrass Tom Brady, and they wanted to put him on the spot if you will. They wanted to make him answer questions about said rule book.

“You can say whatever you want about Deflate-gate, and who said what, but to me this is about how the NFL operates: it’s back stabbing, it’s insecure and it’s childish. ‘You want to call me out? I’m going to call you out. You want to embarrass me? Guess what I’m going to embarrass you.’ I’m telling you, this is the way the NFL works. At the end of the day, Tom Brady is the one who’s got the last laugh. He’s got his third Super Bowl MVP trophy and his fourth Super Bowl.”

There was a report the Ravens tipped off the Colts about the deflated footballs, but Baltimore coach John Harbaugh denied those allegations on the NBC Super Bowl pregame show.

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[coastal]

Translation - the right wing NFL tried to stick it to the left wing NFL, but Spartacus can see right through all their BS.

never forget the the right wants to kill the left and the left is a bunch of whiny finger pointing victims.

[Blondie]

I thought the left wanted to rehabitate the right?

[coastal]

I thought the left wanted to rehabitate the right?

Without Spartacus to lead the way all the time, the herd sometimes loses its way.

[Bellowing4DaBills]

This thread is about WHO tipped off the officials and WHY.

Why not address that?

HOW would the Colts GM, up in the booth, know that the balls were so underinflated, it was his duty to report it to the league.

Doesn't that seem kind of strange to you?

Has any other GM in the history of the game demanded an examination of the game balls while the game is going on?

Inductive logic leads me to this most probable scenario:

Grigson, the young Colts GM, is in tune with advanced metrics analysis and has recently been tipped to the Pat's ridiculous fumble/touches ratio since 2007.

Of course he has no hard proof to make the accusation that they are messing about with the integrity of play. So why not expose it when the spotlight is the brightest. Perfect timing.

He knows his excellent young team will be facing these cheaters in the future. Take this obvious Flo Joesque cheating out of play in future match ups.

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[WagonCircler]

Inductive logic leads me to this most probable scenario:

Grigson, the young Colts GM, is in tune with advanced metrics analysis and has recently been tipped to the Pat's ridiculous fumble/touches ratio since 2007.

Of course he has no hard proof to make the accusation that they are messing about with the integrity of play. So why not expose it when the spotlight is the brightest. Perfect timing.

He knows his excellent young team will be facing these cheaters in the future. Take this obvious Flo Joesque cheating out of play in future match ups.

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I'm just guessing here, but something tells me that your post will be totally ignored in favor of more gas-bag eruptions about who ratted the Pats out, rather than why the Pats were cheating in the first place.

[coastal]

And don't forget the education about the superior morals and intellect of the worldwide left when compared to the American right.

[Bellowing4DaBills]

My guess is the Colts went data mining after that scrub Jonas Gray ran for 200 on close to 40 touches on them without a fumble.

Maybe a lightbulb moment on a particular play when their D swiped hard at Jonas' 31st touch and he managed to unbelievably hang on to it.

[CommissarSpartacus]

I thought the left wanted to rehabitate the right?

Don't expect them to make sense, it's a young lion versus old lion thing.

They think that because they're young and strong with testosterone dripping out of their pores that they should be acknowledged as the brightest and most insightful.

That's why they can't stand that I'm right again...and again...and again...

You'd think that adults would appreciate a world class intellect cluing them in on how the real world works, but most of my haters look at football as an excuse NOT TO BE ADULT, but rather to be that ass hole 11 year old who revelled in his jerkiness before he reluctantly learned to hide it.

So, when I bust their little lynch mobs, they hate it. It's like coitus interruptus for them. They get blue balls if the can't ejaculate their hate over their latest object of derision.

It's really kind of sick.

And yes, it does have larger political implications.

Maybe I'll start a spin 2one thread about it so the weak minded here don't get stressed out having to do some serious cogitatin'...

[CommissarSpartacus]

Grigson, the young Colts GM, is in tune with advanced metrics analysis and has recently been tipped to the Pat's ridiculous fumble/touches ratio since 2007.

Why is it ridiculous and what is it supposed to prove?

You guys wave these charts around portentously but won't answer simple questions, like how much of the ridiculosity are you attributing to supposedly deflated balls? 100%? 50%? 30%? 10%? 2%?

If the Pats had used properly inflated balls, would they still have led in this statistic? Middle of the pack? Towards the back?

But hey, maybe Ryan Grigson will say exactly that.

He saw the fumble analysis, reali2ed the Pats were cheating and decided the honorable thing to do was complain to the league about it during the first half of the AFC Championship game? And lucky enough for Grigson, the ONLY BALL that was signicantly under was the one that the COLTS had their hot little hands on? Are you ****ing serious?

Inductive logic indeed.

All the haters need to give it up and grow up.

You got manipulated AGAIN, and AGAIN you get pissed off at me for telling you the truth.

What a great bunch of guys you are.

A real credit to your country.

Joe McCarthy, J Edgar Hoover and Judge Roy Bean are mighty proud...

[Bellowing4DaBills]

Shiva, the best way I can explain it to you is to use the Flo Jo analogy.

You can mark a point in time her sprint times vastly improved against her own previous personal best and against the rest of the competion.

Although she was never caught for illegal doing, logic backed by comparative statistical analysis leads one to that conclusion that she did do something illegal.

You obviously can not do a clinical study testing the times she was with or without drugs to attribute the exact advantageous % percentage of steroids as you can not attribute a specific advantageous % to the Pat's deflated ball.

One is left with correlation/causation hypothesis without exact figures but because Pats are so off the charts as Flo Jo was with her individual and competitor times, there is strong correlation they are freaking cheaters.

I am not a hater. I like sports and enjoy watching athletic excellence whenever I see it including the Brady and the Pats.