Merged all things Brady, cheating, bellicheat, etc.

[Bill Cody]

..or the NFL will destroy the evidence the same way they did with the Spygate evidence...

either way if there is evidence the patriots will get slammed just as they did in Spygate. I really believe we will know what happened on this in the end.

[Joe Fo Sho]

either way if there is evidence the patriots will get slammed just as they did in Spygate.

Another slap on the wrist, great.

I really believe we will know what happened on this in the end.

I hope you're right.

[CommissarSpartacus]

Negative. It's about half that. Not sure how a prominent physicist botched that.

We established previously that a 50 degree drop in temp would do it.

50 + 50 is a 100, or 2 degrees hotter than body temperature.

Even 110 is only lukewarm....

[Joe Fo Sho]

We established previously that a 50 degree drop in temp would do it.

50 + 50 is a 100, or 2 degrees hotter than body temperature.

Even 110 is only lukewarm....

You should stop using this argument if you understand how it works in the real world.

[gebobs]

We established previously that a 50 degree drop in temp would do it.

Correct. And that would be an example of unfairly skirting the rules.

[DynaPaul]

The math doesn't add up, I'm not buying it and I took Physics I and II in college.

[coastal]

Bill Nye says blow me...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ion/?tid=sm_tw

[stuckincincy]

It would be simple to cobble up a needle that would allow for a fairly consistent release of prevailing ball pressure...small enough to be easily palmed. All it takes, then, is the ball boy to reach into the bag, insert the modified assembly, bleed the ball, and then remove it from the bag.

[Ingtar33]

Hah! I bet this "scientist" is on Al Gore's payroll too with the global warming nonsense!

Christians don't need scientists to tell us who's good and who's evil!

Crucify them!

Ask A Scientist: Deflategate Is Trumped Up Nonsense

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...flategate.html

Ask A Scientist: Deflategate Is Trumped Up Nonsense
Note to scandal seekers: Gases lose volume when it’s cold, meaning the Patriots may not have done anything wrong.

New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick says that he is “not a scientist,” but a basic law of physics taught in high school may well vindicate his team in the controversy dubbed DeflateGate.

On a blackboard, the Ideal Gas Law is written thus:

PV=nRT

The P stands for pressure, the V for volume. The n is the amount of gas, the R a mathematical constant. The T is temperature.

Among other things, the equation establishes that if the volume is a constant such as the inside of a football, then the pressure will vary in accordance with the temperature.

Let’s say the internal pressure of a football is measured indoors, as the footballs were two hours before the AFC Championship game last weekend.

And let’s assume that the temperature inside was in the mid-70s Fahrenheit.

Now we know that the temperature on the field was around 50 degrees when the balls were brought out for the start of the game.

We also know that the temperature soon after dropped into the mid-40s.

And, as calculated by a prominent Boston physicist at the request of the Daily Beast, a 30-degree decrease in temperature would result in a corresponding pressure drop of 1.54 PSI (pounds per square inch.)

“You’re on the right track,” Dr. Michael Naughton, chair of the Department of Physics at Boston College, confirmed when contacted by The Daily Beast on Friday.

Naughton was as cautious as is any good scientist when it comes to speculation, but he ventured, “What’s not unreasonable is that footballs initially measured in a typically warm room and then brought outside and used in a 40s temperature field will have dropped one and a half to two PSI.”

This would mean that balls inflated in the warmth of the indoors to the regulation lower limit of 12.5 PSI—which the Patriots are said to prefer—would have dropped to less than 11 PSI in the first half.

That would explain why all but one of the 12 Patriot game balls came in under the limit when they were tested at the half, triggering DeflateGate and the accompanying accusations of cheating.

All the game balls of the opposing Colts tested within the regulation limit, but that could be because they were initially inflated to the upper limit of 13.5 PSI.

...more...

and the colt's footballs were within spec all game long because they are mutant footballs that ignore the laws of thermodynamics?

I'm not arguing the science, but the colts balls were tested as well and all 12 footballs were within spec.

furthermore, the nfl inflated the pats balls at halftime, and then measured them after the game and found they were all up to spec.

seems to me like someone was doing something.

[tomz]

Write him a letter. He is a Bills fan after all.

Plus, we don'tknow that T = 75, do we?

Not only that, but every time you test the ball, it loses pressure. How many times was the gauge used?

Sorry, but NONE of this would stand up in court...

Only if the jury was packed with dolts. If the temp was +/- 5 degrees in either place the maximum error would be a few percent, not a factor of 3!!!! The change due to gauge is minimal enough to be less than that. And the assumption is that testing was done indoors and outdoors respectively. Is that true?

[Buckets]

A "a prominent Boston physicist", eh?

V, n, and R are constants in this case. Which means that T/P must also stay constant.

At the time of checking the ball, T = 75F ~= 297K. P = (minimally) 12.5 PSI. T/P = 23.76.

At halftime, T = 50F ~= 283K. P = T/23.76 ~= 11.9 PSI.

12.5 - 11.9 does not equal "1.5 to 2 PSI".

It was 40 at half time.

[Buckets]

Negative. It's about half that. Not sure how a prominent physicist botched that.

Lets see your calculations.

[jamze132]

I'll play along. Lets say the Patriots do inflate them to 12.5, but they probably do in in the sauna so when the balls go outside, they drop significantly.

[notacon]

Like I said in another of the seemingly endless threads defending the Pats cheating.

Sparky has elevated trolling to an art form.

His argument is for ****...but, this is entertaining.

[DesertFox24]

First off as an engineer Bill is correct that outside conditions can effect the balls. That being said Boston is near sea level so 1 atmosphere pressure, Broncos stadium is over a mile so there will be a slight change in air pressure. The aspect that no one is talking about is that the refs inspect all the balls prior to them going out on the field, so at one point both teams balls were inflated correctly. For their to be a 2 psi drop in 11/12 balls and none of the colts ball throws the atmospheric or weather conditions out. Do I think it made a big different no. That being said the ball will be a lot easier to hold onto and grip and that is a fact.

[gebobs]

Lets see your calculations.

P2 = P1*T2/T1. Plug and chug.

[gebobs]

I'll play along. Lets say the Patriots do inflate them to 12.5, but they probably do in in the sauna so when the balls go outside, they drop significantly.

Of course. If they did that, that would be willful flaunting of the rules. Not exactly against the rules, but against the spirit of the rules and level sportsmanship. The problem is, no one wants to have to write the rule book in such minute detail to account for every possible way to slant the game. At some point, you have to depend on the competitors sense of fair play.

Then again, I would hope the officials in charge would have the sense to let any balls sit for a while ambient game temperature. These aren't concrete blocks. If a ball is above or below temperature, it will settle in close enough to test in short order.

But I don't think that's what happened here since this doesn't account for the return to kosher pressure after the game.

[Joe Fo Sho]

I'll play along. Lets say the Patriots do inflate them to 12.5, but they probably do in in the sauna so when the balls go outside, they drop significantly.

The logistics of this are ridiculous. You can't guarantee that the refs are going to measure the pressure in time for the psi to be within the legal range. As soon as the footballs are in ambient temperature, the pressure begins to deflate. If the refs take too long, the pressure is too low, if they measure the pressure too quickly, the pressure is too high. If the refs see a pattern of the footballs the Pats give them being under or overinflated, it throws up a huge red flag. No way the Pats risk it.

[SpikedLemonade]

Of course. If they did that, that would be willful flaunting of the rules. Not exactly against the rules, but against the spirit of the rules and level sportsmanship. The problem is, no one wants to have to write the rule book in such minute detail to account for every possible way to slant the game. At some point, you have to depend on the competitors sense of fair play.

I agree with that 100%.

It is the way I feel about the Sabres losing games on purpose for the past 2 years.

[Mike]

Here is the real question:

"why does the NFL require the Teams to provide their own balls (12 of them each) instead of providing all 24 and having each team play with all the balls throughout the game?"

If your the NFL would you want each team to play with identical balls?