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    Re: Ask A Scientist: Deflategate Is Trumped Up Nonsense

    UPDATE:

    "NFL has zeroed in on an attendant who took the Balls to another room after they were inspected by refs"
    per NFL.com

    &

    Brady's Father on subject "it will end badly"

    ANY SUGGESTION THAT THE NFL IS LOOKING THE OTHER WAY IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS!!!

    http://www.nfl.com/m/share?p=/news/s...p3000000463606
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    Re: Ask A Scientist: Deflategate Is Trumped Up Nonsense

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Fo Sho View Post
    The logistics of this are ridiculous. You can't guarantee that the refs are going to measure the pressure in time for the psi to be within the legal range. As soon as the footballs are in ambient temperature, the pressure begins to deflate. If the refs take too long, the pressure is too low, if they measure the pressure too quickly, the pressure is too high. If the refs see a pattern of the footballs the Pats give them being under or overinflated, it throws up a huge red flag. No way the Pats risk it.
    Yeah, there's no way they do that, or even as Shiva has suggested, warm them to 110 F. They will be at ambient temperature within minutes.

    I think the likely scenario is that the balls were tested ahead of time. The Pats were at the low end, the Colts probably the upper. I don't know why they would, but maybe the officials do their halftime checks without letting the Pats' balls warm up a bit and they are under spec by 1 psi and the Colts' are right at the lower spec. After the game, they let them warm up, back to what they were before.

    Surely the officials must be aware that this happens so why this was news, I can't say. I would love to know what their SOP is for this. It seems woefully inadequate.
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    Re: Ask A Scientist: Deflategate Is Trumped Up Nonsense

    If Brady feels great after the 16 game season, I think HGH has more to do with that than his diet.

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    Re: Ask A Scientist: Deflategate Is Trumped Up Nonsense

    Quote Originally Posted by gebobs View Post
    Yeah, there's no way they do that, or even as Shiva has suggested, warm them to 110 F. They will be at ambient temperature within minutes.

    I think the likely scenario is that the balls were tested ahead of time. The Pats were at the low end, the Colts probably the upper. I don't know why they would, but maybe the officials do their halftime checks without letting the Pats' balls warm up a bit and they are under spec by 1 psi and the Colts' are right at the lower spec. After the game, they let them warm up, back to what they were before.

    Surely the officials must be aware that this happens so why this was news, I can't say. I would love to know what their SOP is for this. It seems woefully inadequate.
    That was the point I was trying to make to him. I tried to explain like 5 times, the guy doesn't understand things.

    The problem is that the Pats balls dropped 2 psi. If the Colts balls had the same effect, they should be below the legal limit no matter what their original pressure was. The Pats cheated, we're just not sure how. Apparently the equipment guy is a suspect now and I'm sure Brady is going to say he acted alone.

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    Re: Ask A Scientist: Deflategate Is Trumped Up Nonsense

    Belichick's DeflateGate story is 'BS' says football maker

    Everyone from Bill Nye the Science Guy to Saturday Night Live is weighing in on the DeflateGate scandal, and now the official manufacturer of the league's footballs -- Wilson Sporting Goods -- has joined the debate from Arizona, per a report from Boston.com.

    The company claims that all of its footballs are set at the regulation air pressure when they are delivered to the NFL, and that there is little chance that a simple change in temperature could have significantly deflated the balls during the AFC Championship.

    The company has a booth at this year's NFL Experience -- an interactive fanfest held in the days leading up to the Super Bowl at the Phoenix Convention Center -- where visitors can watch the creation of Wilson's league-regulated footballs from the initial bladder and lacing process, through the pressurization stage, and to the final weight check.

    Wilson representative Jim Jenkins explained the process:

    "[It] goes to 120 pounds for one minute, then back down to 13, and then when it comes out, see how nice everything looks? All the seams are perfect, laces are perfect. That's what that does right there and it comes out 13 pounds per square inch."

    Jenkins confirmed that every single ball that leaves the factory is set at a pressure between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch, the official legal limit set by the NFL. When asked about Bill Belichick's theory that the cold temperatures and wet conditions likely contributed to the ball being underinflated in the AFC title game, Jenkins laughed and replied, "That's BS."

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    Re: Ask A Scientist: Deflategate Is Trumped Up Nonsense

    Quote Originally Posted by Ingtar33 View Post
    and the colt's footballs were within spec all game long because they are mutant footballs that ignore the laws of thermodynamics?
    The Colts could have filled their balls with cold air outside. Therefore no temperature drop and no deflation.

    Probably that's what happened when they filled the balls up at half time. They did it outside.

    See, the funny thing is EVERYONE went off on this calling the Pats cheaters and it wasn't until I mentioned the temperature issue the first time (before any of the media chimed in) that people even THOUGHT about it.

    But the fact is that iof you fill a ball with warm air to a certain psi, if you take it into the cold, it will lose pressure. That's not cheating. If people want to claim it "skirted" the rules, the only people to blame are the people that wrote the rule. Don't hate the Pats for NOT BREAKING THE RULES, just cu2 you feel like it did.
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    Re: Ask A Scientist: Deflategate Is Trumped Up Nonsense

    Quote Originally Posted by Strongman View Post
    BS
    Dude, the Wilson guy can only attest to how the balls leave the factory, and it only takes an air pressure gauge to deflate one.

    And the fact is that footballs, like tires, lose air pressure as the temperature drops. It's high school physics.

    Jenkins is just covering his company's ass...

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    Re: Ask A Scientist: Deflategate Is Trumped Up Nonsense

    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    Hah! I bet this "scientist" is on Al Gore's payroll too with the global warming nonsense!

    Christians don't need scientists to tell us who's good and who's evil!

    Crucify them!

    Ask A Scientist: Deflategate Is Trumped Up Nonsense

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...flategate.html

    Ask A Scientist: Deflategate Is Trumped Up Nonsense
    Note to scandal seekers: Gases lose volume when it’s cold, meaning the Patriots may not have done anything wrong.

    New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick says that he is “not a scientist,” but a basic law of physics taught in high school may well vindicate his team in the controversy dubbed DeflateGate.

    On a blackboard, the Ideal Gas Law is written thus:

    PV=nRT

    The P stands for pressure, the V for volume. The n is the amount of gas, the R a mathematical constant. The T is temperature.
    LRA + UF = DS

    Locker Room Attendant plus Unsupervised Footballs = Deflation Scandal

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    Re: Ask A Scientist: Deflategate Is Trumped Up Nonsense

    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    Dude, the Wilson guy can only attest to how the balls leave the factory, and it only takes an air pressure gauge to deflate one.

    And the fact is that footballs, like tires, lose air pressure as the temperature drops. It's high school physics.

    Jenkins is just covering his company's ass...
    Dude,

    Don't you think that Wilson, like I don't know, basically everyone else in manufacturing has a QA department that extensively tests their products under varying conditions? They know how their products perform on the field better than anybody else...

    In the tens of thousands of games played over the years, please explain how no one else has noticed this deflation before?

    They are cheating!

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    I think it's funnier than **** that physicists are lining up on both sides of this argument, some saying it's possible, some saying it isn't. These people can't even agree on something as simple as temperature's affect on air pressure, yet some still swallow whole the 97% consensus on global warming propaganda. What a hoot.

    That being said, there have been differing opinions from all kinds of 'experts' (scientists, QB's, etc) but the majority seem to be falling on the 'liar, liar, pants on fire' side of the fence.
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    Somebody needs to get Lee Harvey Equipment Guy into protective custody!

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    Re: Ask A Scientist: Deflategate Is Trumped Up Nonsense

    Quote Originally Posted by Strongman View Post
    Dude,

    Don't you think that Wilson, like I don't know, basically everyone else in manufacturing has a QA department that extensively tests their products under varying conditions? They know how their products perform on the field better than anybody else...
    It has nothing to do with the footballs.

    It's about the air INSIDE the football and there isn't one set of physics for Wilson and another set for the rest of the world...

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    Re: Ask A Scientist: Deflategate Is Trumped Up Nonsense

    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    It has nothing to do with the footballs.

    It's about the air INSIDE the football and there isn't one set of physics for Wilson and another set for the rest of the world...
    Still with this?

    I think you've gone autistic on us.

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    Re: Ask A Scientist: Deflategate Is Trumped Up Nonsense

    The Dolphins Blow, the Jets Swallow, and the Patriots take it in the arse.

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    Re: Ask A Scientist: Deflategate Is Trumped Up Nonsense

    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    It has nothing to do with the footballs.

    It's about the air INSIDE the football and there isn't one set of physics for Wilson and another set for the rest of the world...
    Please give a rational explanation on why, in the many thousands of games played in colder weather, this hasn't been observed before?

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    Re: Ask A Scientist: Deflategate Is Trumped Up Nonsense

    Quote Originally Posted by Strongman View Post
    Please give a rational explanation on why, in the many thousands of games played in colder weather, this hasn't been observed before?
    Because then he couldn't get attention?

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    Re: Ask A Scientist: Deflategate Is Trumped Up Nonsense

    Quote Originally Posted by Strongman View Post
    Please give a rational explanation on why, in the many thousands of games played in colder weather, this hasn't been observed before?
    What hasn't been observed before? That the ball loses pressure as the air inside it cools?

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    Re: Ask A Scientist: Deflategate Is Trumped Up Nonsense

    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    What hasn't been observed before? That the ball loses pressure as the air inside it cools?
    for 11 of 12 balls for one of two teams playing in equal conditions? It could be suggested that the Colts over inflated against the rules to account for the loss of pressure. THAT would also be cheating

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    Re: Ask A Scientist: Deflategate Is Trumped Up Nonsense

    Quote Originally Posted by sukie View Post
    for 11 of 12 balls for one of two teams playing in equal conditions? It could be suggested that the Colts over inflated against the rules to account for the loss of pressure. THAT would also be cheating
    When the Colts turned the balls over, they were within limits. 12.5 - 13.5.

    When they were tested at halftime, they were only reported as still within limits, which could be 12.5. So they could have lost a psi and still be okay.

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    Re: Ask A Scientist: Deflategate Is Trumped Up Nonsense

    I actually saw the accused Patriots attendant yesterday. He didn't seem that stressed out despite all of the blame coming down on him and he even let me take his picture.

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