The last time was the Brady ruling.Originally Posted by Spartacus
The last time was the Brady ruling.
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1. Is it that difficult that only people who have done the job have any idea of what it entails? What credentials are necessary for you to concede that someone who disagrees with you might know what they're talking about?
2. Those weren't the only factors listed, and the fact that the Saints ran a reprehensible program aimed at intentionally injuring other players while BB wouldn't be caught dead doing the same thing equals a significant difference in coaching technique and approach to the game.
3. The forearm, elbow and body more than gripping the ball prevent others from grabbing at the ball, and if you can figure out a way to measure the difference 1 psi means to the forearm. elbow and body, I'd like to hear it.
4. Confirmation bias. Of COURSE he felt he could feel the difference once he knew what to look for. Let's see ELI do a blind test with ten balls, some at 13 and some at 12 and we'll see how sensitive he is, considering it never occurred to him before.
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Exactly.
Now, when was the last time before that?
Maybe the saints scandal? I don't know who admitted what.
Jonathan Vilma was given a years suspension and sued the league and had his "punishment" completely rescinded. Goodell was over turned twice, once by an arbitrator and once by Paul Tagliabue. Why do you think he's insisting that he handle the appeal? Because he knows he's the only guy that will convict.
Vilma's behind Brady taking it to court in a big way...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Vilma
2012: Bounty scandal
Vilma was a central figure in the New Orleans Saints bounty scandal. The NFL alleged that defensive coordinator Gregg Williams operated an incentive program, which paid out "bounties" for deliberately putting opposing players out of games. The league alleged that Vilma offered $10,000 cash to anyone who knocked Brett Favre out of the 2009 NFC Championship Game. Most notably, Favre was forced out of the game for one play with an ankle injury. Although up to 27 players were accused of involvement, Vilma was the only player initially singled out by the league for his role.[6][7] The NFL suspended Vilma for the entire 2012 season on May 2, 2012. The suspension was reported to be the longest suspension related to in-game misconduct in modern NFL history, dwarfing the previous record of five games handed to Albert Haynesworth for stomping on Andre Gurode's head in 2006. The league contended that Vilma and defensive end Will Smith aided Williams in starting the alleged program in 2009.[8] Vilma found out about the suspension when it was announced on SportsCenter, immediately announced his intent to appeal and adamantly denied that he was involved in any sort of bounty scheme.[9] Vilma filed a personal slander suit against Roger Goodell.[10]
Opinions about the suspensions were divided, as alleged targets like Favre and Kurt Warner claimed that incentive programs were part of the game, which was corroborated by [11] former players interviewed by Sports Illustrated. On July 26, Vilma and seven witnesses from the Saints (along with a sworn affidavit from Drew Brees) testified to a federal judge in New Orleans that NFL commissioner Roger Goodell misrepresented the facts in the league's investigation. Vilma's suspension was overturned on September 7, and he was reinstated for the 2012 season.[12] The Associated Press reported Roger Goodell's disappointment in the determination of the arbitration board's ruling.
On October 9, 2012, the league again suspended Vilma, Browns linebacker Scott Fujita, Saints defensive end Will Smith and free-agent defensive end Anthony Hargrove. Vilma's suspension lasted throughout the entire 2012 season, but he was allowed to retain his paychecks (when he was on the Physically Unable to Perform list) for the first six weeks of the season.[13] The suspensions were then reviewed by former NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue, who overruled Roger Goodell and vacated the suspensions on December 11
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...190628036.html
Does not sound like Brady is going off easy if you believe what Goodell said in the video. Even if Brady turns over cell phone records, the question of not cooperating Wells investigation is still there. It's hard for me to see a reduction more than 1 game if any.
Well I said the saints scandal not the Vilma scandal.
1. Not at all. Someone who disagrees with me certainly might. I would expect they'd be able to demonstrate that.
2.
Exactly which factor did I miss?
And there you are in Bellichick's head again. He hasn't had any problem breaking or at the very least stretching the rules in the past. What exactly makes you think he'd draw the line here?
3 & 4. Have you ever used a hand/foot pump or the like to fill a bike tire? Ever use your thumb to check to see if it was full? Like that.
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Just because someone is able does not mean they are forced to demonstrate it on demand. Especially if they feel the demonstration they're watching doesn't merit it.
"One of the traits..."Exactly which factor did I miss?
Which rules are you insinuating Belichick broke or stretched, whatever that's supposed to mean? Because as far as I can see, Bill Belichick's integrity is only challenged by the ignorant and partisan.And there you are in Bellichick's head again. He hasn't had any problem breaking or at the very least stretching the rules in the past. What exactly makes you think he'd draw the line here?
Very familiar with the action of filling bicycle tires, motorcycle tires, car tires, truck tires, tractor tires and yes, footballs. My comment still stands. Read the article about Eli's footballs and their preparation from 2013. A huge amount of work is done in getting them right, but nada about the pressure of the ball.3 & 4. Have you ever used a hand/foot pump or the like to fill a bike tire? Ever use your thumb to check to see if it was full? Like that.
Now, we don't know exactly why it wasn't mentioned, but a reasonable supposition was the air inside wasn't crucial to him because he couldn't tell a difference, whereas he could feel a HUGE difference in the texture and elasticity of the COVER.
Sorry, but after watching football for 55 years, this thing about the psi of the ball as a reason for success or failure as a qb is the LAMEST excuse for failure that I've ever seen and anyone going to war over it is a gigantic ****ing pussy.
but that's just me. I'm sure the haters have a different opinion of their reasons for smearing the game they're supposed to care about.
From NE area news:
http://www.csnne.com/new-england-pat...believed-brady
The Deflategate controversy took an interesting turn on Tuesday when Robert Kraft threw in the towel instead of challenging the NFL like many thought he would.
On Sports Tonight, Michael Felger suggested Kraft did an about-face with his argument because he and coach Bill Belichick were starting to believe that Brady wasn't being completely transparent with what he told them.
That's when Ron Borges threw out an interesting piece of information.
"Belichick never believed his story, from what I was told," said Borges. "Because they all know. Why do you think all those retired quarterbacks, the Troy Aikmans of the world -- Troy Aikman is about as nice a guy as I've ever met in football -- nobody's backed [Brady]. Nobody, not a single guy. Why do you think that is? Because they hate Brady? No. Because they're not stupid. They know nothing's done with those balls that the quarterback doesn't want done."
The football is the QB's finely tuned instrument, who'd go into a game without the ability to control the main object they touch the most out of all the players ??
Brady suggesting he just shows up and throws whatever ball that's out there without concern of the details is a complete joke. Did he really think all the other QB's from the past would just say that we take what we get and don't have a fit ? Give me a break man.
Last edited by Skooby; 05-21-2015 at 09:01 AM.
"suggested"..."what I was told"...
From what I was told suggests that Felger and Borges are pulling things out of their asses...
Fair enough but if you choose not to demonstrate you can't expect to be taken seriously.
The others are left to my imagination? I'm to trust that you have some good ones and you're just holding out? Sounds entirely reasonable.
Broke - SpyGate
Stretched - Vague injury reports, Ineligible receiver substitution shenanigans
I'm sure I'm missing more. His reputation proceeds him. Denied only by fanboys and homers.
Another reasonable supposition might be that air pressure variance within the allowable range wasn't enough to tell the difference and therefore wasn't crucial to him. Perhaps he's a man of integrity and never thought to try to test the limits allowed by league mandate.
Regardless, I'm not sure who you're intending to insult with this but I never positioned the deflation as having anything to do with the level of Brady's play. I don't think I've mentioned him at all and frankly, it's immaterial. Cheating is cheating whether it's successful or not.
But since you brought it up I'll throw in my 2 cents.
As with Eli, I'm sure whatever was done to those game balls, cover, inflation or otherwise, was done at Brady's direction. I don't think you'll find anyone, anywhere, on any team that would posit that anyone other than the starting QB has any say in how those game balls are prepared. Over the years he's determined what is most comfortable to him, what he believes will allow him to perform at his highest level and that's how they're being prepared. To that end, the prep links to Brady's performance.
Do I think that accounts for his career and that he wouldn't be a top 5 QB all time without it? No.
I liken it to Barry Bonds. He was an all time great before the steroids. He didn't need them. It casts a dark cloud over some of his accomplishments and it makes me think less of him as a man but it doesn't define his career. At least not to me.
As much as I hate Tom Brady, the ball had little to no impact on the game in question. Look at the second half vs the Colts and the Superbowl probably had the most scrutinized balls in the history of football and he played outstanding.
I don't know how anyone can defend what happened but at the end of the day, it didn't affect the outcome of the games. He was at least generally aware of the balls being tampered with after the refs had seen them and to me that merits the suspension. I think that is where it should stay though.
Believing a diliberate attempt to smear the name of the NFL golden boy and flagship franchise is something that I cannot accept.
gebobs (05-21-2015)
So why did he do it then?
better days (05-21-2015),The last buffalo fan (05-21-2015)
I'm sure to get a better grip on the ball. Or maybe it was because of the junior varsity WR's he has been playing with couldn't catch the fastball. I'm just guessing but look at the games his performance didn't waiver in the least.
Why did CREEP break into the DNC? If Nixon was the Patriots and McGovern was the Colts, the score would have been 520-17.
Lehner's history. He just doesn't know it yet.
POTLAND PSILBYLO (05-21-2015)
I think we can ignore the stretched category, so Spygate is all you have, huh?
Now, how much do you know about Spygate? Do you think the Pats and Belichick "broke the rule" to gain a competitive advantage? Do you think he thought the Jets wouldn't notice the guy on the sideline with a camera during the first game played after the rule was instituted? Especially when the rule was put in place after new Jets HC Eric Mangini, a guy who owed his success to BB, told tales out of school to the commissioner?
Nobody can say deflated footballs did not affect the outcome of games.
With a fully inflated football, a fumble may have happened at a critical time which would have affected the outcome of the game.
As you inferred, the balls were deflated for a reason.
Just as the Pats* continued to film after they were told not to.
They CHEATED because it gave them an unfair ADVANTAGE in games.
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