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  • Spartacus
    Registered User
    • Mar 2003
    • 54096

    Re: Merged all things Brady, cheating, bellicheat, etc.

    Originally posted by ICRockets View Post
    I was talking to him, not you. In what world is what I said relevant to your point?
    You're allowed to talk about me in public but I can't comment?

    Really? Doesn't sound particularly fair. Is there a rule that that I'm breaking?
    My tebya razdavim

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    • Spartacus
      Registered User
      • Mar 2003
      • 54096

      Re: Merged all things Brady, cheating, bellicheat, etc.

      Originally posted by Bill Cody View Post
      I believe you are right on this at least in part. The original rule specifically says "during the playing of a game". The Patriots weren't using the tapes during the game, they were using the tapes to prepare for future games. BB felt this meant they were not in violation of the original rule. The league was aware NE was taping games and had been for years, never did anything about it, maybe some teams complained. At which point I do think they sent out a memo preseason 2006 telling teams not to do this (not sure if any other teams besides NE were doing it). That's the reason NE got slapped when Mangini reported them, it was because they ignored the memo. The original rule is ambiguous at best.
      The way I understood it, Belichick started taping under the old rule and thought it was okay because it wasn't for in game purposes. Them when Mangini went to the Jets and he didn't have the benefit of the database anymore, he told the league, and the league amended the rule and sent out a memo. Belichick thought it was unfair and decided to protest by BLATANTLY breaking the rule in the first game, INTENDING to be noticed. It was only then that the league took action.

      In other words, the NFL knew the rule was antiquated. It hadn't been updated in over a third of a century, and by amending it, they de facto admitted that the rule was confusing and needed to be withdrawn.
      My tebya razdavim

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      • ICRockets
        Legendary Zoner
        • Jul 2008
        • 12676

        Re: Merged all things Brady, cheating, bellicheat, etc.

        Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
        You're allowed to talk about me in public but I can't comment?

        Really? Doesn't sound particularly fair. Is there a rule that that I'm breaking?
        No rules, just the fact that I said nothing about me winning any argument. I'm just a bystander on this one.

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        • Bill Cody
          Registered User
          • Sep 2004
          • 11915

          Re: Merged all things Brady, cheating, bellicheat, etc.

          Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
          The way I understood it, Belichick started taping under the old rule and thought it was okay because it wasn't for in game purposes. Them when Mangini went to the Jets and he didn't have the benefit of the database anymore, he told the league, and the league amended the rule and sent out a memo. Belichick thought it was unfair and decided to protest by BLATANTLY breaking the rule in the first game, INTENDING to be noticed. It was only then that the league took action.

          In other words, the NFL knew the rule was antiquated. It hadn't been updated in over a third of a century, and by amending it, they de facto admitted that the rule was confusing and needed to be withdrawn.
          There are a few things in your post that I can't say for sure are right but we do know that the league was aware NE was taping games for years and didn't call them on it. That says they didn't think it was illegal or at the very least that they didn't care about it. Was it Mangini that originally complained and caused the league to issue the memo? I don't know. I do know it was Mangini that turned the Patriots in after the memo was issued. BB claims to this day that despite the memo he felt the taping was not illegal as long as it wasn't used during the info the game, that's his story. I couldn't comment on whether he was being truthful about that or if he continued to tape in the Meadowlands as a protest or what. BB has never added to his reasoning to my knowledge. You're speculating on why and you could be right, I don't know.

          Jimmy Johnson commented one time about the fact that BB wasn't the first to tape or to come up with the idea of taping signals. He said he considered it when he was at the Cowboys but didn't think it was worth the effort. BB started breaking down film for his father when he was barely a teenager. That was his 1st job in the NFL. It's not surprising really that he felt he could get an edge by having tape of opponents signals.

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