This would directly affect the outcome of a football game.Originally Posted by mightysimi
In that single instance, against the Colts, yes he played well during the 2 quarters where the balls were within spec. That doesn't really mean much when you've being accused of deflating footballs since 2007.
Where has he been accused of that? That's what we think. As far as I know, he was charged for the game against the Colts when the alleged tampering happened and that's it.
You are also disregarding the Superbowl which probably had a team of secret service agents covering the balls. We saw how that turned out. He was the MVP.
I will say this again. I hate Tom Brady. I would be happy if he never played again. In this instance, I think it is a little overblown. He should be suspended for the tampering. And he was.
Do we here about anybody screaming for baseball players never to play again if they got caught doctering a ball?
Who wants Brady kicked out of football? I'm happy with his 4 game suspension.
The truth is, no one knows how long he's been doing it. I thought the Wells report mentioned the potential of him doctoring footballs since 2007.
mightysimi (05-21-2015)
I didn't read all of it but I did read most of it. I think the 2007 thing came from the fumble numbers being historically low from the point they were allowed to supply their own footballs. Didn't see/glanced over where it mentioned this in the report if it's in there.
I'm sure you do. Ignoring details that don't support your narrative is status quo. Much like you cherry picked this and ignored the rest of my post.
All I have is the biggest cheating scandal in the history of the NFL. And of course he was trying to gain a competitive advantage. What else would he be doing out there?
What else would he be doing out there? If you were familiar with the history, you'd know what else.
Do you want to know or will it make you angry?
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It's more likely to make me laugh. Enlighten me
I will enlighten you. Because he broke the rules he was able to play in a game where he was voted most valuable player.
You can't believe that because he broke the rules he was able to get to the superbowl? The Pats scored 21 in the 3rd alone. If the Colts scored more than 7 I might agree with you.
Why should I waste my time then? Anger, laughter, angry laughter, it's all the same thing - an indication of pre-judgment.
I have no doubt that whatever I tell you, you'll just look for something to argue about.
But here, we'll see if you can answer a few questions honestly and without squirming.
1. When the Pats started video-taping the DC's of their opponents, was there a rule that prohibited it? Yes or no?
2. How did the NFL find out about the practice?
3. Do you think it's okay to legislate against terams that have an unfair intelligence advantage? Should the rulebook be used to level the playing field to help stupid franchises?
The FACT remains 11 out of 12 balls are deflated to below standard. FACT.
And the balls are manipulated to game shape to and only to the QB's like. In this case Brady.
Brady can argue he did not know there is a ball pressure standard, but that does not cover the FACT he wanted the balls in the state NFL found at the Colts game. To me, that's a violation, intentional or unintentional.
Then the not coorperating part, which is no different from any rules a company has and employees must follow, or face discipline actions.
Last edited by ghz in pittsburgh; 05-22-2015 at 07:41 AM.
Profootball talk is saying the reason the Pats* will not appeal their punishment is that Belicheat did not believe Brady was innocent.
Bingo, the team is throwing Tom under the bus. Bill B. "Talk to Tom" statements were the starkest indications of the team's stance.
better days (05-22-2015),Strongman (05-22-2015)
Wow, nice cop out.
You implied it would make me angry when you offered. The pre-judgment is yours.
But I'll play along.
1. No
2. Someone with a grudge
3. No
I have a few questions of my own...
1. Did the Pats continue to videotape after it was prohibited?
2. Does the method of discovery of a misdeed have any effect on the guilt or innocence of perpetrator?
3. Does the reason that a rule was enacted have any effect on the guilt or innocence of the perpetrator?
better days (05-22-2015)
What I am saying is that the pats with their deflated balls gained an unfair advantage over the course of the season. If playing with regulation size balls leads to more fumbles and dropped passes than with deflated ones then yes that helped them to get to the Super Bowl. No one can deny that the Pats have a great deal of talent on the team. That is what makes the least amount of sense as to why they would risk deflating the game balls. I guess they wanted to make sure they had a complete advantage over other teams. This game is full of the unexpected game changing circumstances. By deflating the footballs you drastacly reduce the chance of turnovers.
I would like to give it a shot.1. When the Pats started video-taping the DC's of their opponents, was there a rule that prohibited it? Yes or no?
2. How did the NFL find out about the practice?
3. Do you think it's okay to legislate against terams that have an unfair intelligence advantage? Should the rulebook be used to level the playing field to help stupid franchises?
1. Yes based on location of filming
2. Mangina
3. Depends on if you think breaking the rules is a team being more intelligent than the other. Or are you refering to techniques like the ineligible receiver stuff?
Yep! Winning the turnover battle is probably the one stat that most strongly correlates with wins in the NFL. If you win the turnover battle you win 79% of the time. The Cheats, by reducing their fumbling rates, defintely improved their chances.
Any honest person, who watches the Titans/Cheats 2009 snow game will notice something is really amiss. The Titans are fumbling all over the place while the Cheats don't fumble. Brady's taking snaps from shotgun, doing flea flickers, and has record setting day while Collins, taking snap under center, had 2-12 pass attempt.
Here's the game's highlights:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...ts-59-Titans-0
Ball deflation is why the Cheats always play better late in the year when it starts getting colder. Playing with a deflated ball becomes an even bigger advantage then.
This game also indicates to me that the coaching knows very well about the ball being deflated. Calling for a flea flicker in a game like that? C'mon...
better days (05-22-2015)
So based on this, you figure that Buffalo got screwed out of a division title? Past history (even going back to before the deflating is alleged to start) disagrees with this.
Don't get me wrong. I am not debating that the pats or Brady broke the rules. I am just of the opinion that it barely if any affected the outcome of games. You could probably find games where New England fumbles more than the other team. I believe Brady should be punished and he was.
Also it is impossible to prove. You can't prove that a catch wouldn't have been a catch if the ball was the right psi. You can't prove they would have fumbled more. You can only go with what they were caught with and that was the AFC Championship game. Then you can see what happened after and that was picking apart possibly one of the best defences in the history of the NFL to the tune of 4 TD passes with the most scrutinized balls in NFL history.
I can't possibly see how people think Brady is so good when he cheats. In good weather Peyton Manning and Brady's stats are very similar. However in cold weather, Brady's passer rating is a respectable 91.4% while Manning drops down to 68.8%. It's also interesting that Brady's receivers drop their passes 3x less than Manning's.
http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/po...ngland-weather
Brady is either immune to cold weather or he cheats.
We already know one of these to be true.
You are comparing a guy with a notoriously bad bad weather record against a guy who plays his career in New England and deals with it every year. You are also comparing a guy who has a rocket against a guy who doesn't have anywhere near the arm strength. How does it stand up against Rodgers? Another qb with a rocket arm who plays in the cold.
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