Merged all things Brady, cheating, bellicheat, etc.

[CommissarSpartacus]

I'm not going to lie I have learned a lot of things from you over the years but I don't recall you never being wrong about anything. That's a bit of an overstatement.

Of course there is a chance they didn't do it but you have to look at the circumstantial evidence here. A rule is a rule and if you break it you should be punished accordingly.

Anyway the friggin' Balls were under inflated and the Colts' weren't. The kid took the balls to the bathroom were he knew no security footage could be recorded. The Pats have almost no fumbles all year. They live off the running game and the intermediate passing game. Both Belichek and Brady are very vague and seem highly confused in their initial pressers concerning the issue. They have cheated before and have been convicted.

The evidence suggests that they cheated. That's all I know. And btw your nemesis the main stream media is fully on your side. Looks like you made nice with them afterall.

I'm sure you reali2e that "I don't recall you never being wrong about anything" means that you also can't recall me ever being wrong about anything. Think about it. Can you remember a specific iincidence? I'm not saying this to brag but just to point oput peoples' resistance to admitting it when faced with a disagreement with me.

Sorry, but the evidence suggests they might have cheated, but it also suggests they were telling the truth, and this is a set-up by whoever alerted the Colts into complaining about the balls in the first place.

You see, all this nonsense is based on the idea that a softer ball offers a significant advantage to EVERYONE, rather than it just being a matter of preference to some.

Sorry, but you're suffering from a culturally ingrained knee jerk reaction on this, like so many other people that should know better.

[EricStratton]

Who was that "next great QB" again, some guy named Nick or something?

[upstart]

Boom

You are a clown,and everybody on every other NFL team, their coaching and scouting staffs, and all the NFL officials during all those games were too dumb and clueless to see this huge under-inflated ball advantage. is that right?


STFU

[CommissarSpartacus]

Who was that "next great QB" again, some guy named Nick or something?

I've never called ANYONE the "next great QB".

Try again.

[CommissarSpartacus]

To account for a 2 psi drop in pressure, P1/T1 = P2x/T2 tells use either:

1. The balls were inflated in an 85 degree room
2. The Cheatriots** submitted gameballs at 11.25 PSI that the refs didn't check

Filling the balls in an 85 degree room is not against the rules.

[CommissarSpartacus]

Why do you keep bringing up all of these 'expert' conclusions that ignore the obvious? If they are so intelligent and their calculations are so correct THE COLT'S BALLS WOULD HAVE FAILED ALSO AND THEY DIDN'T. Why is that so difficult to understand and accept?

I've explained this a half a do2en times.

If Andrew Luck like his balls at 13.0, say, and the equipment manager paid attention in high school, he'd fill the balls outside,with cold air and there would be no reason for the balls to lose pressure.

Duh....

[Strongman]

Filling the balls in an 85 degree room is not against the rules.

Most reasonable people would view it is an attempt to skirt the rules and view it as cheating. This is why Belichick didn't come right out and say that at his impromptu press conference last Saturday.

At this point, I doubt they did that. Instead they simply prepared balls that were 11.25 psi and were reasonable certain the refs wouldn't check them. That's still cheating.

[Mace]

I'm sure you reali2e that "I don't recall you never being wrong about anything" means that you also can't recall me ever being wrong about anything. Think about it. Can you remember a specific iincidence? I'm not saying this to brag but just to point oput peoples' resistance to admitting it when faced with a disagreement with me.

Sorry, but the evidence suggests they might have cheated, but it also suggests they were telling the truth, and this is a set-up by whoever alerted the Colts into complaining about the balls in the first place.

You see, all this nonsense is based on the idea that a softer ball offers a significant advantage to EVERYONE, rather than it just being a matter of preference to some.

Sorry, but you're suffering from a culturally ingrained knee jerk reaction on this, like so many other people that should know better.

I recall you being wrong about Stevie Johnson (in his family van) and David Nelson (devout religious guy) being party maniacs corrupting each other, and Nelson's gf being a floozie because she was a cheerleader (she's a missionary in some underdeveloped country now), Russia not having troops in the Ukraine and several other things, but I have come to appreciate your point and perspective enough where it's fun to agree with your legalistic, reasoned philosophy time to time. It's fun to watch you work and not feel invested in the outcome.

[CommissarSpartacus]

I recall you being wrong about Stevie Johnson (in his family van) and David Nelson (devout religious guy) being party maniacs corrupting each other, and Nelson's gf being a floozie because she was a cheerleader (she's a missionary in some underdeveloped country now), Russia not having troops in the Ukraine and several other things...

Stevei DID corrupt Nelson, I didn't call Nelson a "party maniac" and I don't remember calling Nelson's GF a floo2ie because she was a cheerleader.

I also remember many accusations that Russia has troops in the Ukraine with no proof.

Many other things? Same deal. Not wrong.

And I don't se my philosophy as legalistic,but merely rational...

[coastal]

huge

project much?

[CommissarSpartacus]

Most reasonable people would view it is an attempt to skirt the rules and view it as cheating.

"Most reasonable people" = people desperate for something to pin on the Pats.

It's really quite pathetic watching fans of a team that's been consistently taken to the woodshed by the Pats over the last 13 years whine about something so ****ing trivial.

"Oooo, boo hoo hoo, if the Pats weren't giant cheaters we might have won another game or two!"

Aaaaargh. Makes me ashamed to be a Bills fan....

[Strongman]

"Most reasonable people" = people desperate for something to pin on the Pats.

It's really quite pathetic watching fans of a team that's been consistently taken to the woodshed by the Pats over the last 13 years whine about something so ****ing trivial.

"Oooo, boo hoo hoo, if the Pats weren't giant cheaters we might have won another game or two!"

Aaaaargh. Makes me ashamed to be a Bills fan....

Most reasonable people = basically anyone other than a Cheatriots fan.

If it was so trivial, then please explain why the NFL is investigating this.

Quit while you're behind.

[Joe Fo Sho]

Aaaaargh. Makes me ashamed to be a Bills fan....

I'd be ashamed to be a Bills fan if I was a Patriots fan, too.

[Joe Fo Sho]

I've never called ANYONE the "next great QB".

Try again.

You were on Matt Flynn's jock for a while.

[YardRat]

Why would the NFL have to apologize to Kraft anyway, the only real info to come from the league itself has been A)The balls were found to be under-inflated and replaced pursuant to the rules, and B)They are conducting an investigation. The league is supposed to apologize for following their own rules? That says a lot.

[EricStratton]

Always dragging a thread back to the point Yard.

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So you didn't love him as a QB and claim the NFL missed on him?

[coastal]

Why would the NFL have to apologize to Kraft anyway, the only real info to come from the league itself has been A)The balls were found to be under-inflated and replaced pursuant to the rules, and B)They are conducting an investigation. The league is supposed to apologize for following their own rules? That says a lot.

Kraft asking for an apology is interesting given what you've said. You're absolutely correct, so why would Kraft go public with a pronouncement like that.

hes either feeling pressure about it all or letting Goodell's know where he stands.

This is could get interestnf.

Probably wont... But it might.

[better days]

LOL

I'm sorry but YOU people are letting their imagination run wild here. So I'll take some time to set you straight ....

The rule says the balls must be in the possession of the refs 2 hours before game time so that they can be tested for specs, it does not say that the balls must meet those specs when delivered to the ref. So, if the balls arrived underinflated and the ref missed it, no rules were violated.

I don't know if the balls were checked before being certified or not... and neither does anyone on this board.

End of story.

NO, it is NOT the end of the story because that never happened.

You are just trying to deflect blame to the officials when it was in fact the Pats* CHEATING...AGAIN.

[CommissarSpartacus]

You were on Matt Flynn's jock for a while.

Matt Flynn's a better qb than Orton or EJ or Kevin Kolb.

I wasn't on his jock, I just saw him, like Kelly Holcomb in 2005, as the best available option.

Green Bay was happy to have him back after watching him get dicked around by loser organi2ations and the emergence of Russell Wilson.

I have no doubt that if we'd given Matt Flynn the starters job when he got here, we would have made the playoffs last year.

[Joe Fo Sho]

Matt Flynn's a better qb than Orton or EJ or Kevin Kolb.

I wasn't on his jock, I just saw him, like Kelly Holcomb in 2005, as the best available option.

Green Bay was happy to have him back after watching him get dicked around by loser organi2ations and the emergence of Russell Wilson.

I have no doubt that if we'd given Matt Flynn the starters job when he got here, we would have made the playoffs last year.

Yeah, we should get into another debate over some hypothetical thing that no one can prove. The only thing we know for sure is that Matt Flynn is a backup quarterback.