Merged all things Brady, cheating, bellicheat, etc.

[chris66]

The media is pounding them because of Spygate and the sudden incredible vanishing act of evidence. The league squashed Matt Walsh who said he snuck into opposing teams practices for 3 years between 2000-2002 to tape gameplans. Then shockingly, all the film is gone.

Then Kraft leads the charge to raise Goodells salary from like 7 Mil to the 35-40 Mil range.

Gee, why would anyone outside of New England have it out for the Pats and question the integrity of the NFL ?

If you don't like the press and general public pounding them, start following cricket.

The film never existed. Walsh was lying. He was bitter because he was fired.

[Woodman]

The biggest ass clown the NFL has is ......... wait for it ..........

ROBERT KRAFT!!

[better days]

The film never existed. Walsh was lying. He was bitter because he was fired.

LMAO. Goodell admitted to burning the film & the rest of the evidence he had from spygate.

Thanks to Kraft's buddy Goodell, the film no longer exists, but we all know it did.

The Pats* did not pay that fine & lose a draft pick for no reason.

[chris66]

LMAO. Goodell admitted to burning the film & the rest of the evidence he had from spygate.

Thanks to Kraft's buddy Goodell, the film no longer exists, but we all know it did.

The Pats* did not pay that fine & lose a draft pick for no reason.

Dont even know where to start. So ill start from the beginning.
The tapes that were destroyed were of the coaches signals. That was in sept of 07.

On the Friday before the superbowl. The Boston Herald ran a story wtitten by John Tomasse that there were tapes of the Rams walk through prior to SB36 and that Matt Walsh had them.

In May of 08 the NFL interviewed walsh an he provided tapes of coaches signals which was what the nfl already knew. Walsh admitted that he never taped a walkthrough and the Herald retracted the story and apologized.

[YardRat]

Yeah, too bad it's on record that Belichick admitted to Goodell that he'd been taping ever since he arrived in New England.

[Night Train]

http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/09/17/rog...-arlen-specter

I guess the press is making it all up.

[chris66]

Yeah, too bad it's on record that Belichick admitted to Goodell that he'd been taping ever since he arrived in New England.

Coaches signals. Not practices

[chris66]

http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/09/17/rog...-arlen-specter

I guess the press is making it all up.

Press still makes it up. Cant tell you how many times i read references.

Google matt walsh,herald apology.

[swiper]

Press still makes it up. Cant tell you how many times i read references.

Google matt walsh,herald apology.

ROFL @ you. You read that article? There are MULTIPLE citings of taping by various organizations.

One of several:

On Nov. 19, 2006, Doug Collins, the Green Bay Packers’ security chief removed Patriots film guy Matt Estrella after Estrella was caught taping the Packers’ defensive signals.

What part of that, exactly, did the media "make up?"

[YardRat]

"I've got no rules to hold me down / to make me fret, or make me frown / I had rules, but now I'm free / There are no rules for me! "

[chris66]

ROFL @ you. You read that article? There are MULTIPLE citings of taping by various organizations.

One of several:



What part of that, exactly, did the media "make up?"

Taping practices

[CommissarSpartacus]

Yeah, too bad it's on record that Belichick admitted to Goodell that he'd been taping ever since he arrived in New England.

It wasn't against the rules when he arrived in New England, and wasn't until the rule was changed SIX YEARS LATER.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

[Discotrish]

Dont even know where to start. So ill start from the beginning.
The tapes that were destroyed were of the coaches signals. That was in sept of 07.

On the Friday before the superbowl. The Boston Herald ran a story wtitten by John Tomasse that there were tapes of the Rams walk through prior to SB36 and that Matt Walsh had them.

In May of 08 the NFL interviewed walsh an he provided tapes of coaches signals which was what the nfl already knew. Walsh admitted that he never taped a walkthrough and the Herald retracted the story and apologized.

Actually Goodell/the NFL released a statement characterizing THEIR interpretation of what was said. He said he had no tape to turn over. Seems pretty clear, with the sheer number of attorneys involved, that Walsh was threatened with legal action, and he ultimately was able to get immunity from prosecution, based on what he DID turn over. You can be there would be NO immunity had he turned over a tape of the walk-through! Not sure if the issue is that the Patriots owned the tapes or equipment. Also the Patriots flatly denied that "The Patriots" taped a walk-through. Well of course if someone is doing this ON THEIR OWN (kinda like a Deflating Equipment Manager) then it wouldn't be "The Patriots" doing it.

Patti

[YardRat]

It wasn't against the rules when he arrived in New England, and wasn't until the rule was changed SIX YEARS LATER.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Because the portion of Article IX of the NFL Constitution and Bylaws that both the Patriots and Belichick were penalized for breaking was in the document at it's inception in 1970.

[CommissarSpartacus]

Because the portion of Article IX of the NFL Constitution and Bylaws that both the Patriots and Belichick were penalized for breaking was in the document at it's inception in 1970.

Excuse me?

[Strongman]

NFL executive confirms Colts' general manager tipped off DeflateGate

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/2/3...gland-patriots

[YardRat]

Excuse me?

Look it up...it's right there in black and white.

[Mr. Pink]

It's rather amusing that the only ball that was found to be significantly underinflated was the one that D'Qwell Jackson intercepted and the Colts handled before turning it over. Things that make you go hmmmm...

But facts be damned and let ESPNTMZ and others allow a rush to judgement to cloud peoples perception in order to tell a fabricated story for ratings and page clicks.

[Mr. Pink]

Yeah, too bad it's on record that Belichick admitted to Goodell that he'd been taping ever since he arrived in New England.

You do know that Marty Schoettenheimer was taping signals when he was in KC and who knows if anyone from his coaching tree followed suit, like Herm Edwards, Tony Dungy and Bill Cowher. Marty admitted to taping signals.

Also, EPSN taped a portion of a Bills practice prior to the Superbowl and it aired on TV, it showed a play in specific which was designed to attack a weakness in the Cowboys D that Jimmy Johnson was able to see and thus adjust for.

The media and league decided to rush to judgement on the Pats, because lets face it, the league likes parity and wants to see new teams be able to rise not have the same team be dominant for a decade plus...the fans ate it up because just like the league other teams fans get sick of seeing the same team win year in and year out...and then when all the facts come out the story fizzles out. All that's left is Matt Walsh was taping practices; he wasn't...and that gave the Pats a distinct advantage and allowed for them to win the Superbowl against the Rams. Then again when you have Marshall Faulk banging that "the only reason we could have possibly lost to the Pats is because they cheated," it's hard to believe anything else.

Truth be told, the only rule they may have actually violated is where they were taping the opposition's sidelines and signals from.

But that wouldn't be as fun of a story for the media to report right? I mean after all ESPN needs ratings and page clicks.

[cookie G]

It's rather amusing that the only ball that was found to be significantly underinflated was the one that D'Qwell Jackson intercepted and the Colts handled before turning it over. Things that make you go hmmmm...

But facts be damned and let ESPNTMZ and others allow a rush to judgement to cloud peoples perception in order to tell a fabricated story for ratings and page clicks.

The amusing thing is that the "it was only one ball" leak came out after Bob Kraft whined about the treatment his boys were getting in the media.

Uh huh. Its amusing that people will actually believe the updated story.

I doubt anyone in Pats land anticipated the reaction they received, both from the media and former players/coaches.

They had to do something..so Kraft strong arms the commissioner he owns to create the whitewash story.

Shocking...lol.

One born every minute.