Have we all given up on EJ too soon

[YardRat]

Some people just have a problem of letting go of the dream. Some of us will look at what we've seen from EJ and say "if that's our answer, we are in trouble." Others will try and make excuses for why he sucks and how he is a franchise QB waiting for someone to miraculously transform him into one for as long as he's on the roster. But he's only started 14 games, maybe if we use him like this.... he's only started 20 games, maybe if we use him like that.... he's only started 48 games, maybe....

That's called 'Spillerizing'.

[Mace]

I think they already screwed up a project player by having no QB coach his first year, and no vet to teach him, then hiring a bad QB coach and putting him behind a vet QB who wasn't inclined toward teaching. They threw him into the fire from a college spread offense into up tempo west coast fast read his first year, then changed it to vanilla his second, not exactly a consistent way to develop everyone. They wanted him mobile, then didn't want him mobile, wanted him to sling it then didn't want him to make mistakes. I'd be amazed if they haven't already Trent Edwards'ed him away from however he might have developed, or even Losmanned him already.

Not keen on David Lee, but he's a step up into average QB coach, Roman will run an offense that takes pressure off him. I like Manuel, I want to see him succeed, I'll be happy if he does and admit I'm wrong because in his 3rd year they probably already dorked up his potential.

I'd have been happier if he'd done like Kaepernick, and went for some offseason QB guru work, but hey, it is what it is. He's supposed to be a smart guy, seems diligent, has a good strong arm, is plenty mobile. If his head catches up with his body, we might have something special.

Past precedent being what it is though, I find it hard to be optimistic. I don't see anyone in the draft who might be available that I think would be better, and I don't see any FA's I think would be better, so I'm resigned to whatever happens happening. We're not talking Air Roman though, so whatever does happen won't be spectacularly bad or spectacularly good anyway, and worst case, he's a placeholder for the next guy in 2016.

[BertSquirtgum]

Should have hired trestman.

Oh yeah. He did so great with the Bears' offense.

[TacklingDummy]

I'll give up on EJ when he's no longer a Bill.

There's always hope.

[Mr. Pink]

Roman said of EJ: "we just have to turn him loose".

I expect Roman to run the same type of offense the 49ers ran with Kaepernick.

I expect EJ to be named the starter. HOPE he plays well.

Replace turn to cut and that would be a correct statement.

He's garbage and this organization has done nothing to work on making him better.

[better days]

Replace turn to cut and that would be a correct statement.

He's garbage and this organization has done nothing to work on making him better.

I agree Marrone & Hackett did nothing for EJ, I want to see what GOOD Coaching can do for him.

[swiper]

Replace turn to cut and that would be a correct statement.

He's garbage and this organization has done nothing to work on making him better.

What will all the EJ apologists say when the new coaches go in a different direction too? You have to LOL at people who suggest that Greg Roman expects to use EJ Manuel like he did Colin Kaepernick. Those people obviously don't actually watch football. For if the did, they would see how mobile Kaepernick naturally is and how stiff and clumsy Manuel is.

[Night Train]

He gets one more shot in camp and should be working his backside off NOW on crossing patterns and accuracy downfield with the new coaches and the starting WR's.

If he doesn't improve, it's over. I'm rooting for him but it's do or die time.

[Strongman]

I was part of the anti-EJ crowd, but am now having second thoughts on him. Marrone and Hackett had no idea what they were doing. His first year here was the worse scenario possible for a young QB. I'm much more optimistic with Roman and Lee working with him.

[better days]

He gets one more shot in camp and should be working his backside off NOW on crossing patterns and accuracy downfield with the new coaches and the starting WR's.

If he doesn't improve, it's over. I'm rooting for him but it's do or die time.

Because of the rules, EJ is not allowed to work with Bills Coaches yet.

The Good news is because of the new HC Coach , the Bills will get more time with the new Coaches than teams with a HC that was in place.

[swiper]

Because of the rules, EJ is not allowed to work with Bills Coaches yet.

The Good news is because of the new HC Coach , the Bills will get more time with the new Coaches than teams with a HC that was in place.

The bad news is that he has to learn a whole new playbook.

[better days]

The bad news is that he has to learn a whole new playbook.

True. But I think EJ has shown the ability to hand the ball off to the RB.

Expect to see a lot of that, with an occasional shot downfield.

[Dr. Who]

EJ isn't stupid. I don't think there's any problem learning the playbook.
His problem is seeing the field and analyzing what to do quickly. This is a typical problem for young qbs and some never get it.
It's too early to say with EJ. I am sure he will be in a better position to succeed with the current coaching staff.

Of course, this is all wild-eyed optimism from someone who doesn't know anything about football . . .

[swiper]

ROFL. Good to see you lied to everyone about putting me on ignore.

[Strongman]

I think EJ's problem is more psychological than anything else. That can be fixed.

There was an interesting link on another thread that graphed his measurables and some other QBs: http://nflphilosophy.com/a-visual-re...-quarterbacks/

As far as metrics are concerned, I was really surprised to see that he is probably the closest one to Andrew Luck. If he can be developed, (and Roman has has some success developing QBs) we are going to have a very good QB. Some QBs can come right in and be successful, but others are going to take more time. It's safe to say, EJ is looking to be more of a slow developer. I'd rather keep him and only cut him when we are absolutely sure he won't develop into an NFL starter. This might take another year or two.

In the meantime, they should bring some FAs in and let them compete for the starting job and EJ would be more of a backup and developmental project. By doing this, the worse case scenario is we have him for a back up and the best case is we finally get our franchise QB in a year.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

I'm not ready to cut him, but this is really his make or break year. If he comes into camp and then pre-season with the same wild throws, it's pretty much over. We absolutely need some competition for him though.

[Dr. Who]

I think EJ's problem is more psychological than anything else. That can be fixed.

There was an interesting link on another thread that graphed his measurables and some other QBs: http://nflphilosophy.com/a-visual-re...-quarterbacks/

As far as metrics are concerned, I was really surprised to see that he is probably the closest one to Andrew Luck. If he can be developed, (and Roman has has some success developing QBs) we are going to have a very good QB. Some QBs can come right in and be successful, but others are going to take more time. It's safe to say, EJ is looking to be more of a slow developer. I'd rather keep him and only cut him when we are absolutely sure he won't develop into an NFL starter. This might take another year or two.

In the meantime, they should bring some FAs in and let them compete for the starting job and EJ would be more of a backup and developmental project. By doing this, the worse case scenario is we have him for a back up and the best case is we finally get our franchise QB in a year.

I agree with this. I think people underestimate how badly Marrone handled the situation. Mace gave a pretty good rundown.

Putting EJ and Andrew Luck in the same sentence is going to invite savage responses, however.

[Strongman]

I agree with this. I think people underestimate how badly Marrone handled the situation. Mace gave a pretty good rundown.

Putting EJ and Andrew Luck in the same sentence is going to invite savage responses, however.

I know. I'm not by any means saying he's as good as him... only that his measurables stack up well with Luck's.

[Dr. Who]

I know. I'm not by any means saying he's as good as him... only that his measurables stack up well with Luck's.

Of course. That is evident and I know what you mean.
The uncivilized will distort in order to mock and generally be bastards.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

I know. I'm not by any means saying he's as good as him... only that his measurables stack up well with Luck's.

They do, but on the field his speed an athleticism don't translate nearly as well. If EJ lived up to his fullest potential, I think his game would look a lot more like Ben Roethlisberger but he's not gonna reach that.