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Rumor: Dez Bryant "Ray Rice-style" video coming out
The government should first of all stay out of the way of this. How is this a Congress issue? They have real issues that they need to spend time on.
Secondly, I agree punishing the team is way off the mark. Imagine the company you work for gets fined a million dollars when Bob from Accounting went stupid and got a DUI over the weekend. How could the company know Bob was going to be so stupid? The best they can do is discipline Bob after the fact. It's not the company's fault.
Congress has control due to the tax exempt status.
I dont agree with their stance at all, but they do have a very influential piece to control the NFL with, if they could ever all agree on anything.
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Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!
That is the dumbest idea I've ever heard. First, it punishes the entire team and their fans for the actions of one individual. Second, when guys commit domestic violence, they are angry and irrational. They are not going to pull their hand back to hit a chick and suddenly think "wait a minute, if I do this we will lose a draft pick" because they are not in that frame of mind.
It punishes the wrong people and is not an effective deterrent.
And they are trying to put it back on the team when discipline for these offenses has always been handled at the league level.
I don't see it as a bad idea at all. But how I read it was, teams would lose draft picks, the the teams don't "properly address domestic violence and sexual assault". To me that means, if a team knows its superstar athlete or coach abuses someone and the team knows about it and does nothing, they would lose draft picks. What is wrong with that?
I don't see it as a bad idea at all. But how I read it was, teams would lose draft picks, the the teams don't "properly address domestic violence and sexual assault". To me that means, if a team knows its superstar athlete or coach abuses someone and the team knows about it and does nothing, they would lose draft picks. What is wrong with that?
That was my thought as well.
If teams are willfully turning a blind eye to violence then they should be held accountable.
Fines and draft picks are the only way to do that.
Re: Rumor: Dez Bryant "Ray Rice-style" video coming out
Why not threaten to cut Goodell's salary each time a domestic violence act occurs by a member of the league? Pitch Goodell against the team owners and watch them improve this problem. If he knows his salary/livelihood is on the line he'll crack down on the owners to police her employees. If the owners know they'll have to contend with this or any future commissioner with this repercussion to deal with they'll keep each other in check. Only other option is to use a two strike rule. Punishment on the first offense, kicked out of the league on the second.
Where else would you rather be than right here right now?
Why not threaten to cut Goodell's salary each time a domestic violence act occurs by a member of the league? Pitch Goodell against the team owners and watch them improve this problem. If he knows his salary/livelihood is on the line he'll crack down on the owners to police her employees. If the owners know they'll have to contend with this or any future commissioner with this repercussion to deal with they'll keep each other in check. Only other option is to use a two strike rule. Punishment on the first offense, kicked out of the league on the second.
Whose going to threaten that though? His bosses are the owners. The owners are also the ones employing the player who has committed domestic violence.
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Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!
If teams are willfully turning a blind eye to violence then they should be held accountable.
Fines and draft picks are the only way to do that.
Is that possible to prove though?
We can't even figure out who deflated a football, do you really thing we'll be able to figure when/if a team knew that a player was hitting a woman or child and did nothing about it?
That's my question.
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Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!
We can't even figure out who deflated a football, do you really thing we'll be able to figure when/if a team knew that a player was hitting a woman or child and did nothing about it?
That's my question.
I never said it would be easy. It's a great question that most likely doesn't have an answer. In cases like Ray Rice where it appears the team actively tried to intervene before this could reach even the AC law enforcement personnel maybe there is a paper trail but like anything else it if there is a rule in place teams will easily figure out ways around it with the NFL's blessing to protect the shield.
We can't even figure out who deflated a football, do you really thing we'll be able to figure when/if a team knew that a player was hitting a woman or child and did nothing about it?
That's my question.
What they can do is the NFL can see how a team punishes a player individually, and based on that punishment can increase the punishment to said player. Additionally, if they do a two game for a Rice type offense the NFL should have the leverage to say you know what ravens that was weak say good bye to these draft picks or you are docked X amount from the cap.
And there are also guys who have "character concerns" in college that never get in trouble in the NFL. It's holding teams accountable for something they have little to no control over, and possibly costing someone a million dollar career for doing something dumb when they were 21 or younger (not to mention some of those guys could make the league millions....).
This is nothing but a PR move, so these congressmen and the league can show the public that they are tough on domestic violence. It will have no effect whatsoever on the amount of domestic violence.
Yes it's a PR move, but doesn't mean the rules shouldn't still be applied.
Here's a thought: The moment players sign a contract with an NFL team, have them sign an explicit agreement stating that certain infractions (domestic violence, DUIs, drug use) would result in a lengthy suspension (1 year) the first time, and a lifetime suspension from the NFL for the second infarction. Put it in plain words and give them a copy of their own agreement with their signature on it. Build this into every single NFL contract retrospectively and start on an even slate for everyone in the league. Do the same for all future players. There is nothing better than a uniform, consistent set of rules that applies evenly to everyone. Playing in the NFL should be a privilege.
Next, tell NFL teams that they will lose (for example) a 4th round pick for any player banished for a second infarction. This will keep teams on active alert, likely resulting in behavioral interventions for all players from the start of their rookie season (behavioral programs like this exist in the NFL, but IMO, they are haphazard and applied unevenly since the NFL disciplinary rules are inconsistent, and sometimes arbitrary).
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