I can't believe the stupidity of Bills fans

[CoolBreeze]

Did you watch Kiko play before the injury? Holy ****, the subjectivity is appalling. He's "the legend of Kiko" when he's a Bill and some injured bum on his way to nothing when he's not.

Appalling...Now you know how I feel. We just traded a guy off IR for a top 5 RB, and you're still crying and moaning about it. That's what is truly appalling

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[Forward_Lateral]

I'm just going to sit back and watch Lecter continue to pwn Opi.

[Forward_Lateral]

Anyone who argues that an OLB has more impact on a game/season than a pro bowl RB is a fool. The Bills have proven time and time again that they can find Defensive studs in the draft, and from other teams scrap heaps.

Yes RBs are a dime a dozen, but probowl, league leading all purpose RBs aren't.

[EDS]

Kiko is a question mark. Two ACL injuries to the same knee in 4 years and he faded over the second half of his rookie season (although that can be expected to happen). Sure he's cheap and has potential, but McCoy is a proven top RB, still young, and doesn't have a ton of mileage on him. The only real issue is salary, but they have the room and I expect they'll restructure his contract to lower his cap hit.

McCoy does have a lot of mileage as he is coming off of two consecutive 300+ carry seasons. Remember, Thurman Thomas was never the same after having his big season with 300+ carries. That said, 350+ carries in a season seems to be the real danger zone

[Goobylal]

Ok fine- not his worst season. Still a decline in production and still reason for concern.

Kelly gave a lot of his carries to Sproles.

McCoy does have a lot of mileage as he is coming off of two consecutive 300+ carry seasons. Remember, Thurman Thomas was never the same after having his big season with 300+ carries. That said, 350+ carries in a season seems to be the real danger zone

Well, when Thurman had that 350 carry season, it was the last of the SB years and the team had made the playoffs 6 years in a row, playing deep the last 4 of them. That's a lot of carries. And he was 28 at the time. But yes, I wouldn't go over 350 carries. And I meant overall he doesn't have a lot of mileage.

[OpIv37]

And yet McCoy's decline is a huge cause of concern and Alonso's injury (his second to the same ACL) means nothing.

Do I have that right?


And, besides - he was a Bills draft pick

And the Bills have never made a good draft pick, amirite?

This has nothing to do with draft picks.

And I never said Kiko's knee wasn't a concern. But a concern that counts $700k against the cap is much different than one that counts $12 million against the cap.

[OpIv37]

Anyone who argues that an OLB has more impact on a game/season than a pro bowl RB is a fool. The Bills have proven time and time again that they can find Defensive studs in the draft, and from other teams scrap heaps.

Yes RBs are a dime a dozen, but probowl, league leading all purpose RBs aren't.

Anyone who argues that a stud RB is going to have an impact on a team with a shoddy OL and a QB who scares no one is a fool.

[Forward_Lateral]

Anyone who argues that a stud RB is going to have an impact on a team with a shoddy OL and a QB who scares no one is a fool.

Free Agency and the draft still have to happen. I wish you'd become a fan of someone else for your own health. You are possibly the most negative person I have ever encountered.

[Dr. Lecter]

This has nothing to do with draft picks.

And I never said Kiko's knee wasn't a concern. But a concern that counts $700k against the cap is much different than one that counts $12 million against the cap.

Actually you did say his knee wasn't a concern

And it's not 12 million. 12 million was his hit in Philadelphia, which includes singing bonus

It's a 9 million hit.

[BidsJr]

Anyone who argues that a stud RB is going to have an impact on a team with a shoddy OL and a QB who scares no one is a fool.

You seriously complain more than any woman I have ever met or even heard about.

[OpIv37]

You seriously complain more than any woman I have ever met or even heard about.

Yet the team keeps losing so the complaints are justified.

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Free Agency and the draft still have to happen. I wish you'd become a fan of someone else for your own health. You are possibly the most negative person I have ever encountered.

Only 6 draft picks, no first rounder. And a third of our available cap already went to McCoy.

[Mr. Miyagi]

The Bills just traded a LB, who's played ONE SEASON in the NFL, has had 2 ACL surgeries in the past 4 years for a probowl RB who's 27 years old. What's the problem? Yes we loved Kiko. I was one of his biggest fans. But the team is stacked at LB, and could afford to trade him. I don't see, how from any angle possible, the Bills didn't just fleece the Eagles.

I hope Kiko does well in Philly, I hope he makes the pro bowl. But, IMO, a pro bowl RB > a pro bowl LB every day.

It's not all Bills fans, or even most. Mainly just the perpetually *****y ones, like the poster just above me.

[BidsJr]

Yet the team keeps losing so the complaints are justified.

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Only 6 draft picks, no first rounder. And a third of our available cap already went to McCoy.

So how does that feel? To know you complain more than any woman that ever lived?

[Dr. Who]

Anyone who argues that an OLB has more impact on a game/season than a pro bowl RB is a fool. The Bills have proven time and time again that they can find Defensive studs in the draft, and from other teams scrap heaps.

Yes RBs are a dime a dozen, but probowl, league leading all purpose RBs aren't.

Exactly. The people who hate Whaley like to dismiss him as a lb scout. Well, he's pretty damn good at finding lbs.
We'll be fine on d and the o just got a lot better. Watkins and Shady are two explosive playmakers for the opposing d to worry and gameplan around.
Brilliant move.

[Dr. Lecter]

Yet the team keeps losing so the complaints are justified.

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Only 6 draft picks, no first rounder. And a third of our available cap already went to McCoy.

I keep asking - is it illegal to make cap adjustments?

And yes - a third of the CURRENT cap space went to him

But they still have a lot of space. It's a number without context.

17.5 million is still a good sized hunk of space. But continue to spew data with no context or incompletely

[Dr. Who]

Anyone who argues that a stud RB is going to have an impact on a team with a shoddy OL and a QB who scares no one is a fool.

Pretty sure the OL is going to be addressed. They need to add some veteran free agents that don't need development though.

[Dr. Who]

You seriously complain more than any woman I have ever met or even heard about.

Oh, Lord. Nuclear burn.
Every board needs a resident Eyore I guess.

[OpIv37]

I keep asking - is it illegal to make cap adjustments?

And yes - a third of the CURRENT cap space went to him

But they still have a lot of space. It's a number without context.

17.5 million is still a good sized hunk of space. But continue to spew data with no context or incompletely

It's not a big chunk when you consider all the holes this team still has, plus some of it has to go to rookies (although not as much this year with no first and only 6 picks).

Plus, you are assuming that players will be willing to restructure. No, it's not illegal but it's not a given and you can't count on it happening until it does. Maybe, just maybe, the FO could have done some of hat restructuring BEFORE this trade to alleviate some of the risk of the cap commitment, but nah. That would make sense.

[OpIv37]

Pretty sure the OL is going to be addressed. They need to add some veteran free agents that don't need development though.

I'm sure they'll attempt to address it. But they may not get the guys they want because FA is the player's decision in the end. As of right now, we don't have the OL to make this work and it's a huge gamble to just assume we can fix it in FA.

[Forward_Lateral]

What holes does the team have besides QB and O-line?

They are set at every position except for QB and Guard, IMO.