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    It is Absolutely Crucial We Now Go All In to Improve the OL

    Ritchie Incognito is just a back up at this stage of his career.

    Chris Williams was a stupid purchase and is barely a NFL back up.

    Two of the three OL rookies we drafted last year will prove to be busts.

    Eric Wood regressed last year.

    Cordy Glenn didn't impress last year.

    We can all rationalize the above by blaming Marrone's coaching and other coaching, but I don't see a lot of proven talent among that OL group.

    Now that we have Shady, we absolutely must add a minimum of 2 above average starters to that OL in order to pair a top 5 running game with a top 5 defence if we hope to make the play-offs.

    We need to sign one of the top 3 FA Guards.

    We need to use our 2nd pick on a G or RT.

    Our QB situation will be crap this year no matter what we do, however we can minimize the impact with a dominate running game.

    Forget about spending resources on an elite TE or DE.

    Concentrate on the OL. That is something we can improve upon.
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    Re: It is Absolutely Crucial We Now Go All In to Improve the OL

    Signing Incognito shows they understand the OL issue completely. FA and draft will solve that.

    QB doesn't have to be " crap ". We'll see.

    Can still improve other positions. May still have some cap cuts of our own coming.

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    Re: It is Absolutely Crucial We Now Go All In to Improve the OL

    I'm doing one of those message-board-based interactive mock drafts for the Bills again this year. Planning on taking two OL relatively early.

    BTW, anybody see DraftTek's latest mock? Completely ridiculous. Has the Bills taking a QB, a RB, a FB, and 3 TEs with their six picks. Seriously. For real.

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    Re: It is Absolutely Crucial We Now Go All In to Improve the OL

    Quote Originally Posted by SpikedLemonade View Post
    Ritchie Incognito is just a back up at this stage of his career.

    Chris Williams was a stupid purchase and is barely a NFL back up.

    Two of the three OL rookies we drafted last year will prove to be busts.

    Eric Wood regressed last year.

    Cordy Glenn didn't impress last year.

    We can all rationalize the above by blaming Marrone's coaching and other coaching, but I don't see a lot of proven talent among that OL group.

    Now that we have Shady, we absolutely must add a minimum of 2 above average starters to that OL in order to pair a top 5 running game with a top 5 defence if we hope to make the play-offs.

    We need to sign one of the top 3 FA Guards.

    We need to use our 2nd pick on a G or RT.

    Our QB situation will be crap this year no matter what we do, however we can minimize the impact with a dominate running game.

    Forget about spending resources on an elite TE or DE.

    Concentrate on the OL. That is something we can improve upon.
    Incognito certainly is a starter in my opinion. I don't see any reason why not. No guarantees of course.

    I do agree with pretty much everything else.

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    Re: It is Absolutely Crucial We Now Go All In to Improve the OL

    Quote Originally Posted by CleveSteve View Post
    I'm doing one of those message-board-based interactive mock drafts for the Bills again this year. Planning on taking two OL relatively early.
    You are wise. This is a very good year for OL and we can get top quality in Round 2,3 and even Saturday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Train View Post
    Signing Incognito shows they understand the OL issue completely.
    Not if they see Incognito as a starter on opening day.

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    Re: It is Absolutely Crucial We Now Go All In to Improve the OL

    Quote Originally Posted by SpikedLemonade View Post
    Not if they see Incognito as a starter on opening day.
    It's the idea that they can grab someone to compete at a position of need even before FA starts. Big picture.

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    Re: It is Absolutely Crucial We Now Go All In to Improve the OL

    Quote Originally Posted by SpikedLemonade View Post
    Not if they see Incognito as a starter on opening day.
    Explain your point here.

    Two years ago was a pro bowler.

    Was playing just fine when his incident occured.

    Why could he not be a starter now? He isn't super old.

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    Re: It is Absolutely Crucial We Now Go All In to Improve the OL

    Incognito can be a starter. I would look at Boling or Blaylock at guard, Bulaga at tackle in free agency.

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    Re: It is Absolutely Crucial We Now Go All In to Improve the OL

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Incognito can be a starter. I would look at Boling or Blaylock at guard, Bulaga at tackle in free agency.
    I was just thinking of Blalock. He was making a little less than 5 million when he was cut. An above average pass blocker, but a very good run blocker. He'd be perfect and for a reasonable price.

    How much the rookies improve is anyone's guess. On the good side, I heard Kujo is attending LeCharles Bentley's OL school.

    Bentley has become a kind of guru for OL. Geoff Schwartz, Alex Boone and Larry Warford give him a lot of credit for transforming their game.

    Bring in Blalock, keep drafting before the 5th round, improve the rookies.

    That will make Shady happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THATHURMANATOR View Post
    Explain your point here.

    Two years ago was a pro bowler.

    Was playing just fine when his incident occured.

    Why could he not be a starter now? He isn't super old.
    When this season starts, that will be 3 years since he was a Pro Bowler in 2012.

    2013 was when his season ended due to the incidents.

    Last year, no team wanted him so he did not play.

    32 years old is pretty old for an OL.

    If the Bills are slotting him as a starter, they and we will be severely disappointed.

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    Re: It is Absolutely Crucial We Now Go All In to Improve the OL

    Quote Originally Posted by Night Train View Post
    Signing Incognito shows they understand the OL issue completely. FA and draft will solve that.

    QB doesn't have to be " crap ". We'll see.

    Can still improve other positions. May still have some cap cuts of our own coming.
    I agree that qb is not a given. I still hold out a little hope for ej, even. He did win 2 out of 4 last year and the running game was not all that. Maybe he can lean on the run game and defense and finally get his full season chance like rookie and second years for Big Ben and Flacco. (I am NOT saying he is necessarily in their league.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Train View Post
    It's the idea that they can grab someone to compete at a position of need even before FA starts. Big picture.
    Competition is good.

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    Re: It is Absolutely Crucial We Now Go All In to Improve the OL

    Quote Originally Posted by SpikedLemonade View Post
    Ritchie Incognito is just a back up at this stage of his career.

    Chris Williams was a stupid purchase and is barely a NFL back up.

    Two of the three OL rookies we drafted last year will prove to be busts.

    Eric Wood regressed last year.

    Cordy Glenn didn't impress last year.

    We can all rationalize the above by blaming Marrone's coaching and other coaching, but I don't see a lot of proven talent among that OL group.

    Now that we have Shady, we absolutely must add a minimum of 2 above average starters to that OL in order to pair a top 5 running game with a top 5 defence if we hope to make the play-offs.

    We need to sign one of the top 3 FA Guards.

    We need to use our 2nd pick on a G or RT.

    Our QB situation will be crap this year no matter what we do, however we can minimize the impact with a dominate running game.

    Forget about spending resources on an elite TE or DE.

    Concentrate on the OL. That is something we can improve upon.
    Agree on FA G. I think the draftee could come from any of the early rounds.


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    Re: It is Absolutely Crucial We Now Go All In to Improve the OL

    OT is turning into the trouble spot, we can still get a G in FA, and one in the draft. Personally I'd like to grab a C high this year. One of the issues is we've got quite a few youngsters that we are hoping progress exponentially, kinda tough to cut ties with any of them after one season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by X-Era View Post
    Agree on FA G. I think the draftee could come from any of the early rounds.
    We only have two -- 2nd or 3rd.

    An equally drafted rookie G or RT will on balance be much more effective in his first year than a rookie TE.

    Rookie TEs drafted outside of the 1st round tend to struggle in their first year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YardRat View Post
    OT is turning into the trouble spot, we can still get a G in FA, and one in the draft. Personally I'd like to grab a C high this year. One of the issues is we've got quite a few youngsters that we are hoping progress exponentially, kinda tough to cut ties with any of them after one season.
    Cutting a 5th or 7th round draft pick after 2 pre-seasons and a season should not be tough.

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    Re: It is Absolutely Crucial We Now Go All In to Improve the OL

    Quote Originally Posted by SpikedLemonade View Post
    Cutting a 5th or 7th round draft pick after 2 pre-seasons and a season should not be tough.
    Under normal circumstances I would agree, but considering they were good enough to start a good part or all of last season I'd be surprised. It depends on what they bring to camp for the new coach. If Kujo doesn't show marked improvement over last year, he may be shown the door before Richardson or Henderson. As soon as they are drafted, the round becomes irrelevant.

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    Re: It is Absolutely Crucial We Now Go All In to Improve the OL

    OL is much less of an issue now though, because you can get away with road grading run blockers without pass protection finesse in a run heavy offense, and run blocking is traditionally easier for less skilled or experienced players, though you'd just need smarter ones for Roman's more complex system. If Richardson, Kouandjio, and Henderson can learn to plow alongside the plow Incognito (didn't like getting him but even I have to admit he'll still be an effective plow), they should be able to pull off the occasional pass blocking for short development dinks and dunks.

    I'm changing my thinking on it from the obvious necessity and intent. Before I was thinking long play pass blocking, buy the QB time in the pocket. That's just not where they are going though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    OL is much less of an issue now though, because you can get away with road grading run blockers without pass protection finesse in a run heavy offense, and run blocking is traditionally easier for less skilled or experienced players, though you'd just need smarter ones for Roman's more complex system. If Richardson, Kouandjio, and Henderson can learn to plow alongside the plow Incognito (didn't like getting him but even I have to admit he'll still be an effective plow), they should be able to pull off the occasional pass blocking for short development dinks and dunks.

    I'm changing my thinking on it from the obvious necessity and intent. Before I was thinking long play pass blocking, buy the QB time in the pocket. That's just not where they are going though.
    None of those 3 rookies or for that matter our entire OL, got much push in run blocking last year.

    The holes were simply not there.

    It would be a waste of Shady's talent if that happens again this year.

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