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  • Dr. Lecter
    Zero for Zero!
    • Mar 2003
    • 67929

    #16
    Re: Are You Having a Draft Lottery Party on Saturday?

    Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
    Once again, it has NOTHING to do with screwing the Sabres.

    It has to do with making money and the league exercising power over teams.

    Hockey works in Buffalo. It always has and it always will- the league doesn't need McDavid in Buffalo to make money. They don't need him to make money in Boston or Toronto either, but they'll make a LOT more money with him in one of those places than Buffalo because they're bigger cities with more money. The other cities I mentioned are **** hockey markets who will get a bandwagon boost from McDavid.
    Then they would have changed the lottery this year and bumped the Sabres down to 3rd (or 4th), allowing two of those cities to reap the benefits of the lottery.
    Originally posted by mysticsoto
    Lecter is right in everything he said.

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    • mightysimi
      Buckle me in on the highway of sin
      • Mar 2010
      • 6334

      #17
      Re: Are You Having a Draft Lottery Party on Saturday?

      Haha you guys would be torching Patti with this kind of unfound/unprovable conspiracy theory!!

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      • OpIv37
        Acid Douching Asswipe
        • Sep 2002
        • 101275

        #18
        Re: Are You Having a Draft Lottery Party on Saturday?

        Originally posted by Dr. Lecter View Post
        Then they would have changed the lottery this year and bumped the Sabres down to 3rd (or 4th), allowing two of those cities to reap the benefits of the lottery.
        Now that would have been screwing the Sabres. They did change the rules to reduce the Sabres' chances from 25% to 20%, but again the rules are irrelevant because they manipulate it anyway.
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        • OpIv37
          Acid Douching Asswipe
          • Sep 2002
          • 101275

          #19
          Re: Are You Having a Draft Lottery Party on Saturday?

          Originally posted by mightysimi View Post
          Haha you guys would be torching Patti with this kind of unfound/unprovable conspiracy theory!!
          Once again, the NHL draft lottery is a closed process that often has supposedly "random" outcomes that are both statistically unlikely and in the best financial interest of the league. It's not a smoking gun but there is reasonable cause for suspicion.
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          • mightysimi
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            • Mar 2010
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            #20
            Re: Are You Having a Draft Lottery Party on Saturday?

            You can't actually believe that. How in any way would it be beneficial to the league to grant the 1st pick to Edmonton 3 times in a row? Hockey is already popular in Canada. They didn't need to jump start the game in Emonton of all places. No way having 3 X 1's go to Emonton is the best financial desicion for the league. If they wanted the top players to go to the southern teams it would have been happening all along.

            I understand that it is closed which can cause suspicion but they are drawing 1 ball. How can they count down from 15 to 1 with everyone knowing the outcome? You would be ruining the draft special.
            Last edited by mightysimi; 04-17-2015, 08:48 AM.

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            • Dr. Lecter
              Zero for Zero!
              • Mar 2003
              • 67929

              #21
              Re: Are You Having a Draft Lottery Party on Saturday?

              Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
              Once again, the NHL draft lottery is a closed process that often has supposedly "random" outcomes that are both statistically unlikely and in the best financial interest of the league. It's not a smoking gun but there is reasonable cause for suspicion.
              All individual outcomes are statistically unlikely with the way the rules are. The Sabres winning is statistically unlikely.
              Originally posted by mysticsoto
              Lecter is right in everything he said.

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              • MitchMurrayDowntown
                Skoobasaurus-Rex
                • Oct 2011
                • 22284

                #22
                Re: Are You Having a Draft Lottery Party on Saturday?

                Originally posted by Dr. Lecter View Post
                All individual outcomes are statistically unlikely with the way the rules are. The Sabres winning is statistically unlikely.
                Our 1 in 5 chance is the highest single team chance by 50%.

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                • SpikedLemonade
                  • Jun 2024

                  #23
                  Re: Are You Having a Draft Lottery Party on Saturday?

                  Terry loves fracking
                  Sabres tanking and slacking
                  Buffalo pride lacking

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                  • OpIv37
                    Acid Douching Asswipe
                    • Sep 2002
                    • 101275

                    #24
                    Re: Are You Having a Draft Lottery Party on Saturday?

                    Originally posted by Dr. Lecter View Post
                    All individual outcomes are statistically unlikely with the way the rules are. The Sabres winning is statistically unlikely.
                    There are varying degrees of "statistically unlikely" and some outcomes, while still unlikely in the overall sense, are have a higher chance of occurring than others. Yet, the outcomes with the lowest probability seem to occur far more often than they would in a truly random process...

                    Of all people, I shouldn't have to explain this to you.
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                    • WagonCircler
                      Escaped Convict
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 5876

                      #25
                      Re: Are You Having a Draft Lottery Party on Saturday?

                      Originally posted by Dr. Lecter View Post
                      All individual outcomes are statistically unlikely with the way the rules are. The Sabres winning is statistically unlikely.
                      That's the problem with having a party. Who wants to go to a party where there's an 80% chance that the outcome will be disappointing? Not that getting Eichel would be a disappointment, but drafting second is already guaranteed. The only reason to watch is the hope that we'd come away with McDavid.

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                      • OpIv37
                        Acid Douching Asswipe
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 101275

                        #26
                        Re: Are You Having a Draft Lottery Party on Saturday?

                        Originally posted by mightysimi View Post
                        You can't actually believe that. How in any way would it be beneficial to the league to grant the 1st pick to Edmonton 3 times in a row? Hockey is already popular in Canada. They didn't need to jump start the game in Emonton of all places. No way having 3 X 1's go to Emonton is the best financial desicion for the league. If they wanted the top players to go to the southern teams it would have been happening all along.

                        I understand that it is closed which can cause suspicion but they are drawing 1 ball. How can they count down from 15 to 1 with everyone knowing the outcome? You would be ruining the draft special.
                        Who says everyone needs to know the outcome? Last year the specials consisted of the two guys on the air lifting up cardboard squares to reveal the team in that slot. They wouldn't need to know ahead of time: only the person who put the cards with the team logos behind them would have to know.

                        And btw, the lottery is done behind the scenes before the special airs- it doesn't occur on the air. So whether it's rigged or not, the results are known before the special is filmed.
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                        • Dr. Lecter
                          Zero for Zero!
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 67929

                          #27
                          Re: Are You Having a Draft Lottery Party on Saturday?

                          Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
                          There are varying degrees of "statistically unlikely" and some outcomes, while still unlikely in the overall sense, are have a higher chance of occurring than others. Yet, the outcomes with the lowest probability seem to occur far more often than they would in a truly random process...

                          Of all people, I shouldn't have to explain this to you.

                          That's because that's not true. Your perception of this really isn't reality.


                          Please point out to me when the outcomes with the lowest probability occurred.

                          2014 - Florida wins the lottery, 2nd best odds
                          2013 - Colorado wins the lottery, 2nd best odds
                          2012 - Edmomton wins, 2nd best odds
                          2011 - New Jersey wins, moves from 8th to 4th
                          2010 - Edmonton wins, was already picking 1st
                          2009 - Islanders win, were already picking 1st
                          2008 - Tampa wins, was already picking 1st
                          2007 - Chicago wins, move up to 1st from 5th
                          2006 - Blues win, were already picking first
                          2005 - Pittsburgh wins "Special lottery (due to cancelled season" They were one of the teams with the highest odds of winning
                          2004 - Washington wins, moves up from 3rd
                          2003 - Florida wins, moves up from 4th to 1st
                          2002 - Florida wins, moves up from 3rd to 1st
                          2001 - Atlanta wins, moves up from 3rd to 1st
                          2000 - Islanders win, move up from 5th to 1st
                          1999 - Chicago wins, moves up to 4th from 8th
                          1998 - San Jose wins, was already last
                          1997 - Boston wins, were already picking 1st
                          1996 - Ottawa wins, were already picking 1st
                          1995 - Kings win, move from 7th to 3rd
                          Originally posted by mysticsoto
                          Lecter is right in everything he said.

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                          • Dr. Lecter
                            Zero for Zero!
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 67929

                            #28
                            Re: Are You Having a Draft Lottery Party on Saturday?

                            Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
                            Who says everyone needs to know the outcome? Last year the specials consisted of the two guys on the air lifting up cardboard squares to reveal the team in that slot. They wouldn't need to know ahead of time: only the person who put the cards with the team logos behind them would have to know.

                            And btw, the lottery is done behind the scenes before the special airs- it doesn't occur on the air. So whether it's rigged or not, the results are known before the special is filmed.

                            Each team has a witness watching it too.
                            Originally posted by mysticsoto
                            Lecter is right in everything he said.

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                            • SpikedLemonade
                              • Jun 2024

                              #29
                              Re: Are You Having a Draft Lottery Party on Saturday?

                              Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
                              Who says everyone needs to know the outcome? Last year the specials consisted of the two guys on the air lifting up cardboard squares to reveal the team in that slot. They wouldn't need to know ahead of time: only the person who put the cards with the team logos behind them would have to know.

                              And btw, the lottery is done behind the scenes before the special airs- it doesn't occur on the air. So whether it's rigged or not, the results are known before the special is filmed.
                              Wait a minute Mr. Buffalo Low Self-esteem.

                              Yes, the lottery is taped, but the actual lottery is taped in front of the GMs who have a stake in it earlier in the day. I doubt they are in on this conspiracy.

                              It is my understanding that today the NHL will post on its website which 200 of the 1,000 4 number (some two digit numbers) sequences belong to the Sabres (and which 10 belong to the Bruins for example).

                              Tomorrow afternoon, they will use a lottery ball system to draw for balls that contain numbers from 1 to 14 and in which sequence.

                              That sequence is matched up to the team's numbers to see which team has that sequence.

                              Tomorrow evening they will show the ball lottery drawing and which team drew the #1 overall pick.

                              I can't see how they can cheat the Sabres with that transparent process.

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                              • mightysimi
                                Buckle me in on the highway of sin
                                • Mar 2010
                                • 6334

                                #30
                                Re: Are You Having a Draft Lottery Party on Saturday?

                                Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
                                Who says everyone needs to know the outcome? Last year the specials consisted of the two guys on the air lifting up cardboard squares to reveal the team in that slot. They wouldn't need to know ahead of time: only the person who put the cards with the team logos behind them would have to know.

                                And btw, the lottery is done behind the scenes before the special airs- it doesn't occur on the air. So whether it's rigged or not, the results are known before the special is filmed.
                                That's what I'm saying if they do it on air, how do they keep what ball or envelope or however they do it a secret? They won't be able to.

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