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This draft wasn't getting us a QB in the first round...
Re: This draft wasn't getting us a QB in the first round...
The OP is asinine.
If we drafted Odell Beckham Jr and still had our first round draft choice this year, we could have traded for Sam Bradford.
The Sammy trade was stupid. That's not to say that Sammy isn't a good player, but he may not even be as good as Beckham, and he's certainly not as good as Beckham + Bradford.
If we drafted Odell Beckham Jr and still had our first round draft choice this year, we could have traded for Sam Bradford.
I don't think that's true.
Reports are that the Browns were trying to trade for Bradford. Not only did the Browns have our #19 pick to offer, but they also had the #12 overall pick as well.
It would have been nice IMO, but I just don't think it would have happened. I wouldn't imagine that the Rams would just trade away Bradford and leave themselves with nothing at QB. That was a pipe-dream, one that I actively partook in too.
I still don't fully understand the Foles/Bradford trade, but that will be one of the more interesting story-lines to follow this year.
If we drafted Odell Beckham Jr and still had our first round draft choice this year, we could have traded for Sam Bradford.
The Sammy trade was stupid. That's not to say that Sammy isn't a good player, but he may not even be as good as Beckham, and he's certainly not as good as Beckham + Bradford.
And he's not good enough to be worth two years of number 1 draft picks as the 46th ranked receiver in catches, tied with Woods by the way and behind Fred Jackson, who cost a couple fewer number 1's unfortunately.
These are the players that Cleveland got in exchange for that trade:
WR - Phil Taylor (Used 1st from ATL to trade up a few spots to take Taylor)
WR - Greg Little
FB - Owen Marecic
QB - Brandon Weeden
RB - Trent Richardson (They used the 4th from ATL to help with the trade up to get Richardson)
So yeah, Cleveland got very little in return for that trade but it's mostly because they can't draft for ****. There were several good players available when CLE was picking that they could have had. For example, they could have drafted Cameron Jordan (or Dalton or Kaep), Randall Cobb, Julius Thomas, and Dont'a Hightower. If they would have gotten even one of those players, I think you would be singing a different tune. Obviously hindsight is 20/20 and that argument is a 'what if' scenario.
I think if you offer ATL 2 1sts, a 2nd, and 2 4ths for Julio today, they take it. There are very few players in the NFL today that are worth more than that.
Could have, should have.
The Bills could/should have drafted Tom Brady & Brett Favre. But they didn't.
So today, who is offering anything for what the Browns did get in that trade?
Re: This draft wasn't getting us a QB in the first round...
Dez Bryant was franchise tagged (non-exclusive) this year. This means that any team can sign him to a contract and give up 2 1st round picks to get him. Why has nobody done this? Maybe it's because Dez isn't worth 2 1st round picks? Dez is a better receiver than Sammy, right?
Demaryius Thomas was also franchised, no team is signing him either.
When is the last time an NFL team (other than the team who tagged the player) signed any franchised player, regardless of position? I can't remember one instance. Even 'franchise-able' caliber players are not considered worthy of 2 1st round picks. These are players that have proven themselves to be the top tier of their respective positions. How anyone can say Sammy is worth 2 1st round picks as well as a 4th is beyond me.
Dez Bryant was franchise tagged (non-exclusive) this year. This means that any team can sign him to a contract and give up 2 1st round picks to get him. Why has nobody done this? Maybe it's because Dez isn't worth 2 1st round picks? Dez is a better receiver than Sammy, right?
Demaryius Thomas was also franchised, no team is signing him either.
When is the last time an NFL team (other than the team who tagged the player) signed any franchised player, regardless of position? I can't remember one instance. Even 'franchise-able' caliber players are not considered worthy of 2 1st round picks. These are players that have proven themselves to be the top tier of their respective positions. How anyone can say Sammy is worth 2 1st round picks as well as a 4th is beyond me.
I don't think the draft picks is the reason teams don't want to sign Dez.
It is the fact Dez is an AHOLE with off field issues & he will want a LOT of money to sign with another team.
Hell even the Cowboys don't want to give Dez a long term contract & that is why he was tagged.
Ok, I'll be as simple. I'd rather be the team that won more games, so I guess that's Cleveland.
Just as simple, you'd rather be the team that won less ?
Sort of doesn't really mean a crap who you get for what if you can't use it and win less games anyway now does it ?
The Browns didn't win more games a result of the picks they got in return for The Julio Jones trade-up. That had absolutely nothing to do with it.
I'd MUCH rather have Julio Jones than all the players the Browns got, and so would anybody else that looks at it.
It's a very simple true point, but one that you don't want to allow me to make for some reason. Don't know why you want to harp on about something completely unrelated instead of just conceding my rather simple point. Anyway the Falcons went 13-3, and made it to the Championship game in Jones' second year...he had a killer game too. I think he had about 180 yards receiving in that game where the Falcons almost made it to the Super Bowl.
No because you would also have to pay out a lot of money in that process.
The Bills have Sammy tied up on a low money contract for 5 years.
It's only low money for 4 years.
Wouldn't it be awesome to only have used 1 1st round pick on a young probowl caliber WR? Like the Cowboys did with Dez, or the Broncos did with Demaryius, or the Lions with Calvin, or Packers with Jordy or Cobb, or the Bucs with Evans, or the Giants with Beckham, or the Panthers with Benjamin, or blah blah with blah.
The Browns didn't win more games a result of the picks they got in return for The Julio Jones trade-up. That had absolutely nothing to do with it.
I'd MUCH rather have Julio Jones than all the players the Browns got, and so would anybody else that looks at it.
It's a very simple true point, but one that you don't want to allow me to make for some reason. Don't know why you want to harp on about something completely unrelated instead of just conceding my rather simple point. Anyway the Falcons went 13-3, and made it to the Championship game in Jones' second year...he had a killer game too. I think he had about 180 yards receiving in that game where the Falcons almost made it to the Super Bowl.
Pretty cool what can happen with a great WR when you have a probowl QB throwing him the ball. Kind of makes you wonder if you should try to get one before spending extra resources to get the other, no?
Pretty cool what can happen with a great WR when you have a probowl QB throwing him the ball. Kind of makes you wonder if you should try to get one before spending extra resources to get the other, no?
Technically, Matt Cassel is a Probowl quarterback. He played in one.
It's not so easy to find an All-Pro QB due to supply and demand. We weren't going to get a QB with what we gave up for Sammy, anyway, which is what this thread is about. I'm not going to sit here and whine about that trade. I'm glad Watkins is on the team. He's bound to make whoever plays QB better.
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