Veterans flock to Jax to play for Marrone

[feldspar]

That is true in terms of personnel.

Marrone has nothing to do with it however.

What would excite you, giving Jermey Parnell a 5-year $32 million deal? That's a great personnel pick-up! Do you think? That's a undrafted guy who is headed into his 6th season after only starting 7 games total throughout his entire career. I guess you could technically call that a veteran if you wanted to stretch a point like the OP.

Damn right Marrone had nothing to do with that, though. That's a money deal backwards and forwards.

[cookie G]

We drafted 3 go-lineman last year and added Incognito this year, draft is coming up...
Line has been addressed..
All the whiners need to find some new material..

Only the Bills or their fans would call a 5th round pick, a 7th round pick and a guy who hasn't played in 2 years "addressing" the OL.

But then..these are the same people who thought Sam Young and Colin Brown "addressed" the OG position after Levitre left.

People wonder why this team is chronically a bottom 10 (if not bottom 5) offense...the answer isn't hard to figure out.

Well scratch that..for some it is.

[SpikedLemonade]

Only the Bills or their fans would call a 5th round pick, a 7th round pick and a guy who hasn't played in 2 years "addressing" the OL.

But then..these are the same people who thought Sam Young and Colin Brown "addressed" the OG position after Levitre left.

People wonder why this team is chronically a bottom 10 (if not bottom 5) offense...the answer isn't hard to figure out.

Well scratch that..for some it is.

OL is not sexy enough for our fan base so therefore any 5 fat guys can play OL.

[POTLAND PSILBYLO]

Except they brought in a guy who made our OL worse.

Wow. There's still a draft, trades, and roster cuttings to come.

[Goobylal]

Only the Bills or their fans would call a 5th round pick, a 7th round pick and a guy who hasn't played in 2 years "addressing" the OL.

But then..these are the same people who thought Sam Young and Colin Brown "addressed" the OG position after Levitre left.

People wonder why this team is chronically a bottom 10 (if not bottom 5) offense...the answer isn't hard to figure out.

Well scratch that..for some it is.

Wait, the Bills didn't add a good OL coach as well? And so what if Incognito hasn't played in (really) a year and a half? You think he forgot? His addition immensely improves the LG position as well as the LT and C positions, if not the RG position since Wood can now help out there. And having Urbik back at RG will help Henderson or Kujo out at RT.

And the Bills are chronically in the bottom 10 on offense because they don't have a franchise QB.

[Mace]

Only the Bills or their fans would call a 5th round pick, a 7th round pick and a guy who hasn't played in 2 years "addressing" the OL.

But then..these are the same people who thought Sam Young and Colin Brown "addressed" the OG position after Levitre left.

People wonder why this team is chronically a bottom 10 (if not bottom 5) offense...the answer isn't hard to figure out.

Well scratch that..for some it is.

I'm not real sure what we have but it's worth a roll of the dice.

Remember back to the game against the Houston JJ Watts'es. Marrone made a big talk about suiting up his best linemen in whatever combination every week, one of them was Urbik. But Chris Williams went down and so he started....started....the previously ever inactive rookie Richardson, against Houston, against the JJ Watt'ses.

He'd go on to keep going with Richardson stubbornly week after week as the under prepared kid was ravaged, making lip service about winning now.

Yeah, we have misfits, but the bumbling stubborn Marrone isn't here at least to mess them up. Run blocking is easier when developing, and so, we run, with no Marrone.

They addressed the OL by shucking Marrone and the useless Morris plenty.

[better days]

Wait, the Bills didn't add a good OL coach as well? And so what if Incognito hasn't played in (really) a year and a half? You think he forgot? His addition immensely improves the LG position as well as the LT and C positions, if not the RG position since Wood can now help out there. And having Urbik back at RG will help Henderson or Kujo out at RT.

And the Bills are chronically in the bottom 10 on offense because they don't have a franchise QB.

Not to mention a Fullback & Tight End were added to help provide blocking, but I think the Change in Coaching & blocking scheme will make the biggest difference between last year & this year.

[swiper]

Wait, the Bills didn't add a good OL coach as well? And so what if Incognito hasn't played in (really) a year and a half? You think he forgot? His addition immensely improves the LG position as well as the LT and C positions, if not the RG position since Wood can now help out there. And having Urbik back at RG will help Henderson or Kujo out at RT.

And the Bills are chronically in the bottom 10 on offense because they don't have a franchise QB.

Who says Kromer is a good line coach?

http://www.mademan.com/mm/10-best-of...e-coaches.html

[better days]

Who says Kromer is a good line coach?

http://www.mademan.com/mm/10-best-of...e-coaches.html

So how about a bet about 4-12 you say the Bills record will be?

And Kromer could be #11- #15 & still be a good OL Coach.

Hell, he could be #31 & still be better than the OL Coaching from last year in Buffalo.

[Goobylal]

Who says Kromer is a good line coach?

http://www.mademan.com/mm/10-best-of...e-coaches.html

So an article in "Made Men" by some nobody named Jordan Gonzalez prior to the 2010 season is supposed to be worth something? And besides, half of those guys aren't in the NFL anymore. Never mind that #5, Pat Morris, was the Bills OL coach last year, and sucked royally.

[BertSquirtgum]

Who says Kromer is a good line coach?

http://www.mademan.com/mm/10-best-of...e-coaches.html

I do.

[BertSquirtgum]

So an article in "Made Men" by some nobody named Jordan Gonzalez prior to the 2010 season is supposed to be worth something? And besides, half of those guys aren't in the NFL anymore. Never mind that #5, Pat Morris, was the Bills OL coach last year, and sucked royally.

I wonder how long it took him to find something negative about kromer. This guy is a douche.

[Goobylal]

I wonder how long it took him to find something negative about kromer. This guy is a douche.

It's not even negative really. It purports to show who the top-10 OL guys are. Kromer could have been 11 for all we know, assuming the list meant anything. But two of them (Morris and Kugler) were jokes and former Bills OL coaches to boot! And 5 out of them are no longer working as NFL OL coaches.

[swiper]

LOL. Morons.

[cookie G]

Wait, the Bills didn't add a good OL coach as well?

OOOOO...the Mouse McNally Experiment, part II.

2004, the Bills, not wanting to spend too much on the OL...go the "coach 'em up" route, and bring in Mouse McNally, possibly the best OL coach of his generation.

Of course, he warns them, "I'm not as miracle worker and I'm just going to do the best I can with them."

And of course, the Bills...being the Bills...gave him linemen from rounds 5-7..and an UDFA in Jason Peters.

Dylan McFarland
Mike Pucillo
Justin Geisinger
Aaron Merz
Terrance Pennington

Guys like that. There were actually people saying..."hmmm...he can't be that good of a coach...he can't coach THESE guys up".


After a few years, he gave up and retired, then worked secretly for the Jets.

Cool that we're going back to that plan.

And so what if Incognito hasn't played in (really) a year and a half? You think he forgot?

Every team with an offensive line better than buffalo's (which is nearly every team in the league), and every team with an offense better than Buffalo, (which is nearly every team in the league), said "so what" too.

His addition immensely improves the LG position as well as the LT and C positions, if not the RG position since Wood can now help out there. And having Urbik back at RG will help Henderson or Kujo out at RT.

Ohhh....this is DEFINITELY Buffalo talk.

Uh...Eric, Cordy...yeah, um...we know you have tough jobs, but we're going to need you to help out at guard and tackle as well..

Yes..I know its a tough job, but we kind of overspent on a TE and RB...so we couldn't get you any help. So we're going to need you to pancake your guy and then jump over and help out our guards, OK?

And the Bills are chronically in the bottom 10 on offense because they don't have a franchise QB.

And there's problem 1a, or 1, or 1b if you like...and they still don't have one of those either.

[cookie G]

I'm not real sure what we have but it's worth a roll of the dice.

Remember back to the game against the Houston JJ Watts'es. Marrone made a big talk about suiting up his best linemen in whatever combination every week, one of them was Urbik. But Chris Williams went down and so he started....started....the previously ever inactive rookie Richardson, against Houston, against the JJ Watt'ses.

He'd go on to keep going with Richardson stubbornly week after week as the under prepared kid was ravaged, making lip service about winning now.

Yeah, we have misfits, but the bumbling stubborn Marrone isn't here at least to mess them up. Run blocking is easier when developing, and so, we run, with no Marrone.

They addressed the OL by shucking Marrone and the useless Morris plenty.

Yeah, well...not like there is much of a choice...not like we haven't been rolling the dice for the past 15 years on the OL..

Get one or two good lineman, roll the dice on the other 3


But since we've been doing it for 15 years, another year, or 3, or 10 won't hurt.

Since they've been playing their 15 year craps game on the OL:

average ranking in scoring...23
average ranking in yardage..24

number of times they've been in the top 10 in either scoring or yardage....2
number of times they've been ranked 20 or below either in scoring or yardage....20

Hard to argue with that success.

Let it Ride!

[jimmifli]

Hard to argue with that success.

Let it Ride!

[IlluminatusUIUC]

Yeah, well...not like there is much of a choice...not like we haven't been rolling the dice for the past 15 years on the OL..

Get one or two good lineman, roll the dice on the other 3


But since we've been doing it for 15 years, another year, or 3, or 10 won't hurt.

Since they've been playing their 15 year craps game on the OL:

average ranking in scoring...23
average ranking in yardage..24

number of times they've been in the top 10 in either scoring or yardage....2
number of times they've been ranked 20 or below either in scoring or yardage....20

Hard to argue with that success.

Let it Ride!

Yes, and I would note that, of the three times they used a 1st rounder on OL in the last twenty years, one was received in a trade when we sent away a better OLineman we refused to pay.

[better days]

Yes, and I would note that, of the three times they used a 1st rounder on OL in the last twenty years, one was received in a trade when we sent away a better OLineman we refused to pay.

Yeah, that was a great trade by the Eagles, look at all the Super Bowls they won because of him.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

Yeah, that was a great trade by the Eagles, look at all the Super Bowls they won because of him.

He's made the Pro Bowl every single year he's been able to suit up for them, and every time he did they posted Top 10 offenses. They've also made the playoffs three times and won their division twice.

But they didn't win multiple Super Bowls, so clearly they lost that trade