When does Whaley get accountability....

[YardRat]

Whaley's aggressiveness and willingness to take chances is a breath of fresh air. I like what he's done so far, and am not going to condemn him for a few misses, regardless of the position.

[SpikedLemonade]

Well, Incognito & Hardy are both GREAT, not good but GREAT players & both the Bills & Cowboys were desperate for their services.

Incognito is a great (not good) player?

WTF is wrong with you?

[trapezeus]

It's so ****ing funny to see one of the self-proclaimed voices of reason give credit to Whaley for 9-7 over the head coach. It's the easy (and stupid perhaps) pov to take swings at the ex-head coach. MAYBE he was the one who knew what he was doing and everyone else was clueless. Namely Whaley. YOU don't know. Schwartz was quiet on the topic. If the Bills don't reach 9-7 then some of you idiots have a lot of back-pedaling to do.

Marrone actually coached the players.

Whaley gave you EJ Manuel (failure), Kuoandijo (failure), Richardson (failure), and sold the farm to give you Watkins. If he's not at least suspect as GM, then you don't have a clue.

marrone's specialty was O line and guys like Eric Wood who had been servicable looked lost under marrone's tutelage. i think marrone carries a lot of the issues with the team. the d wasn't his. the players selected for it wasn't his. and he just passed it off so he could focus on the line and offense. both of which had mild levels of success despite him. there was no consistency.

that doesn't make whaley GM of the year. it could be that whaley isn't long for this gig either. and both would be failures.

i really think this is whaley's year to prove he has provided enough talent to take a step forward.

[mightysimi]

Well, Incognito & Hardy are both GREAT, not good but GREAT players & both the Bills & Cowboys were desperate for their services.

Alright we can agree to disagree and re-visit after week 1.

[better days]

Marrone apologists here. All of your posts from here on out have no value.

Swipers posts never had any value

[better days]

Incognito is a great (not good) player?

WTF is wrong with you?

Rex Ryan called Incognito an OUTSTANDING player.

Rex said if that was not the case, Incognito would not be worth signing because of the baggage that comes with him.

[Zoneblitser]

As much as I got caught up in the draft hype of certain needs this team has, and saw them overlooked by our GM I have to look at the roster as a whole. I really believe there is a much better evaluation of the player's we see are coming in. I no longer sense that we are signing players to fit a budget that leaves us some twenty million under the cap.

[mightysimi]

Rex Ryan called Incognito an OUTSTANDING player.

Rex said if that was not the case, Incognito would not be worth signing because of the baggage that comes with him.

Rex does have a history of running his mouth to hype something/someone though so I would take that with a grain of salt.

[SpikedLemonade]

Rex does have a history of running his mouth to hype something/someone though so I would take that with a grain of salt.

Salt, urine, spunk or whatever is in it, some will drink the koolaid without questioning regardless.

[better days]

Rex does have a history of running his mouth to hype something/someone though so I would take that with a grain of salt.

I do agree about the hype with Rex.

But I do not think the Bills would have signed Incognito if he were only an average at best player because of his baggage.

[better days]

Salt, urine, spunk or whatever is in it, some will drink the koolaid without questioning regardless.

LMAO at you. The person that thought it was a lock the Bills would be moved from Buffalo after Ralph died.

You are still bitter that the Bills are in Buffalo & not Toronto or LA.

[Jry44]

I wouldn't exactly say I'm "worked up", but that pick is another maybe as opposed to the certainty you spent it for nothing. By your reasoning, why even bother drafting anyone past a certain round ? Um, because people do, to get another maybe, instead of not getting another maybe.

Previous coaching staff, yes, previous, didn't even attempt to get any value from it. That's not a big indicator Marrone/Whaley were ever on the same page.

So.... what's to say that none of these guys that everyone is pissing and moaning over couldn't be a "maybe"?

And I'm not at all insinuating that we shouldn't have bothered drafting the later round players. Because as you stated, you never know. However I am also of the realization that these late round players that people are pissing and moaning over are also real long shots to make teh team anyway. So why be pissed over the selection? If they hit on one, great. If not, it's to be expected and you just move on....

[BertSquirtgum]

Salt, urine, spunk or whatever is in it, some will drink the koolaid without questioning regardless.

You're not a Buffalo Bills fan.

You are still bitter that the Bills are in Buffalo & not Toronto or LA.

I believe this to be true as well. I think he posts under joetoronto on PFT too.

[SpikedLemonade]

Loving the false accusations.

Yet I could not give a crap who you are.

[swiper]

marrone's specialty was O line and guys like Eric Wood who had been servicable looked lost under marrone's tutelage. i think marrone carries a lot of the issues with the team. the d wasn't his. the players selected for it wasn't his. and he just passed it off so he could focus on the line and offense. both of which had mild levels of success despite him. there was no consistency.

that doesn't make whaley GM of the year. it could be that whaley isn't long for this gig either. and both would be failures.

i really think this is whaley's year to prove he has provided enough talent to take a step forward.

Nice post. But if they both are failures they got the Bills to 9-7. And when Ryan doesn't do that in 2015 people are going to start wondering. Ryan = most overrated head coach out there. Marrone I still don't like, but he did what he did despite Whaley. Whaley's ceiling is director of player personnel. No higher.

[BertSquirtgum]

Nice post. But if they both are failures they got the Bills to 9-7. And when Ryan doesn't do that in 2015 people are going to start wondering. Ryan = most overrated head coach out there. Marrone I still don't like, but he did what he did despite Whaley. Whaley's ceiling is director of player personnel. No higher.

No value. He's already a GM. Right where he belongs.

[swiper]

Kuoandijo pick. Chris Williams signing. Other moves say otherwise.

[feldspar]

Kuoandijo pick. Chris Williams signing. Other moves say otherwise.

Cuz other GMs don't make mistakes right? Lemme tell you something...they all do.

I haven't written off certain guys just because they haven't set the world on fire from the get-go, either. Especially when they were drafted at 20 years of age and such.

[Oaf]

I'm going on record to say that Whaley hasn't been that terrible as a GM. Obviously the McCoy deal and the Hughes acquisition were pretty nice. With that said he's made some pretty bad decisions as well. Screwing up a draft pick isn't half as bad as trading a pick for a guy who doesn't make your roster.

Can anyone explain to me why we gave away a 4th for Williams who never saw the field and another forth for Brown who looks like he's getting an early exit from this team. Two forth rounders...and BTW..one of them is in 2016 if I'm not mistaken. I'm also a firm believer that Marrone was the one who had a nutty about EJ and was the only reason we got Kyle Orton, which whether you like or not, is the reason we went 9-7. I'm confident we would have been 7-9 or worse without him.

My point is that not even the media has challenged him on some of these decisions.

You are mistaken. MW was a 6th.

Whaley was mistaken on EJ. He deserves to be fired for that, not for taking a flier on Williams/Brown.

[Jry44]

You are mistaken. MW was a 6th.

Whaley was mistaken on EJ. He deserves to be fired for that, not for taking a flier on Williams/Brown.

If GM's got fired for wiffing on 1st round picks, many would be out of jobs.

The draft is a crap shoot. There isn't a single player that's a sure thing.