Yes, they are and we'd be hearing about it regularly if there was one.Originally Posted by better days
I doubt very much whether there is one other than maybe a generic one they force all their employees to sign, but I doubt it would apply.
Yes, they are and we'd be hearing about it regularly if there was one.
I doubt very much whether there is one other than maybe a generic one they force all their employees to sign, but I doubt it would apply.
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And you accuse OTHERS of being immune to reason and logic?
"I don't know the specific details of a locker room attendant's contract, therefore there are no specific details in his contract."
Does he not get paid if you don't know his salary, too?
better days (05-21-2015)
Please.
A non-disclosure agreement would have a significant bearing on the issue and would be part of the discussion, IF IT WAS RELEVANT.
If you know different, then please tell us.
Otherwise, find something else to whine about.
It might be part of the discussion if there were a discussion about McNally and Jastremski's future, but nobody with access to information seems interested in that. So instead, the only discussion I know of that concerns them is this one, with people who simply have no way of knowing the details of their contracts.
McNally threatened to go to ESPN if he wasn't compensated for doing that thing that no one knows he did. I'm more inclined to believe that there was no NDA because of that threat.
I didn't read that as a threat, I thought he was making a joke.
NOBODY can say what is in a contract unless they see the contract.
But as I said before, non-disclosure clauses are COMMON in contracts.
And you don't know that it is not there either.
They wouldn't be allowed to because there is a protocol and that is the QB's have control over the balls up until they turn them in the morning of the game for inspection, then the balls are delivered in a bag 10 minutes before kickoff. So no, Brady would no be warming up with game balls. Here' s an article on the subject. http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/20...wpL/story.html
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/20...wpL/story.html
CommissarSpartacus (05-21-2015),Joe Fo Sho (05-21-2015)
see above post
I thought McNaly's texts indicated he was really upset at Brady AND McNally knew what he was doing was against the rules. His texts show he was pissed that Brady chastized him for missing a ball or two in the Jets game and was threatening to get even with him by over-inflating the balls.
Last edited by Strongman; 05-21-2015 at 11:27 AM.
Alright. I think that should be changed, then.
The problem would still be solved if the refs had complete control over the footballs.
This is why there needs to be a sarcasm font.
He may well be an ass when it comes to the condition of the footballs, probably most QB's are obsessed with having the right feel.
But your conclusion is not logical based on all the texts. jastremski is saying for the Jets game (the game that resulted in some overinflated balls in play) that the refs added air and didn't retest to see if the amount they added was right. McNally certainly didn't turn any balls in at 16. Brady was lashing out probably not realizing who did what to the balls. And McNally was butt sore about getting reamed. My theory from the jump was Brady was VERY particular about the footballs, liked them on the low side and probably knew the refs are very sloppy about inspecting them. So they turn them in at 12.5, maybe some a little under, knowing the refs probably just check a few and if they're close thrown the rest in the bag. It's doubtful they needed to take the extremely risky step of letting air out every week, the refs didn't check them close enough to make that necessary. But if one week the refs inflated some balls well over regulation and Brady had a cow, maybe McNally felt he needed to be more proactive.
Last edited by Bill Cody; 05-21-2015 at 11:35 AM.
I find it totally plausibe that the refs did overfill a few balls, but the texts indicate something more going on. For example, there's the text from Jastremski to McNally about Brady saying McNally must have been under pressure (pun intended) to get them done. Why would Brady specifically mention McNally in a conversation to Jastremski if the refs did it? McNally's job should be done after giving the balls to the refs other than carrying them out to the field. It doesn't make sense unless McNally has been routinely asked to underinflate balls after the refs inspect them.
The changes needed would be very minor.
Step 1: decide on an air gauge that both teams and refs are going to use. One kind. Obviously when there is a variance of close to half a pound of PSI from two different gauges you have a problem. It really could be an important component in what set this problem in motion. Let's say Brady has McNally using the "Acme" gauge before the Jets game and he turns in the balls at what Acme says is 12.5 or maybe some a few ticks under. But the ref then tests the balls with "Gauge X" and he happens to start his testing at one of the low balls Brady was trying to slip through at say 12.2. But Gauge X has the ball at 11.8. Now the ref is pissed and he starts adding air like a banchi to NE's footballs and they end of playing with some watermelons. Why else would the ref have overinflated the balls? And we know Jastremski says in a private text last October that some balls measured at 16 the day after the Jets game. Think about it.
Step 2: Actually test the balls and make sure they're all inflated to the QB's preference within legal limits. Do you believe the refs have made it a practice to carefully test every football? I sure don't. Why? Because nobody really cared that much about the subject. They'll sure care now, don't you think?
Step 3: Don't give the balls to the teams until they're delivered to the sidelines by the refs themselves or an NFL worker. Pretty sure no one is going to try deflating balls in front of 70,000 onlookers with cameras covering every inch of an NFL stadium.
If you're right then McNally is a truly incompetent deflator is he's leaving balls at 16. I think the scheme was a lot more nuanced then that. I think they were submitting 12 balls and half were at 12.5 and half at say 12.2. The pressure on McNally was getting the mix right the pressure right to slide some balls past a lazy ref inspecting the balls. Let out too much on too many balls and you end up with the refs making watermelons.
Really? Is that the only possibility? There's no chance that the bathroom he uses to deflate the balls was occupied and he just wasn't able to do his job that one time?
Strongman (05-21-2015)
Agreed.
The gauges don't have to be the same make and model. They just need to be calibrated and NIST traceable. Why are the two teams using different footballs though still? That is unnecessary. Put 20 footballs in a bag and play with those.
Yes, Jastremski says his gauge measured 16...what gauge did he use? Was his gauge out of spec? Who knows.
It sucks that the 'change' required is that the refs need to follow the protocol now. Some refs may have followed the protocol perfectly, some may not have cared at all. There's obviously a problem.
Don't give the balls to the teams at all then. Have NFL ball boys that are neutral and travel with the refs. That only seems necessary now that someone is accused of tampering.
I disagree because of what the Well's report tells us.
On pg. 38 the report tells us "Although Jastremski occasionally receives assistance from other members of the equipment staff, he is responsible for the ball preparation process from start to finish." It goes on to say that Jastemski then prepares the balls throughout the week up and do "finishing touches about on hour before" on game day.
Also on pg. 40, it tells us "before the October 2014 game against the Jets, it had been his (Jastremski's) practice to inflate Patriots game balls to a level between 12.75 and 12.85 psi without thinking much about it, simply because, according to Jastremski, that had been the range targeted by his predecessor."
McNally's role is something else entirely (pg. 42). According to it, "McNally's primary responsibility is to prepare the Officials Locker Room for the game officials, and attend to their needs both before and during the game. McNally considers himself a “liaison” for the officials, and is there to provide or help with “whatever they need.” In this role, he is responsible for bringing items like towels, toiletries, time sheets and game programs to the locker room prior to the game. He also is responsible for bringing an air pump and pressure gauge from the Patriots equipment room to the Officials Locker Room in case they are needed by the officials during their pre-game examination of game balls. McNally explained
that he obtains the air pump and pressure gauge from the equipment room after Jastremski has finished inflating and adjusting the pressure in the Patriots game balls."
I bolded the important part. So the question is, "Why would Brady be mad at McNally and say McNally must have been under pressure to get them done?"
Last edited by Strongman; 05-21-2015 at 12:40 PM.
Speaking of bathrooms, let's not forget McNally's story about using the bathroom during the AFCCG didn't add up.
"With respect to his decision to use the bathroom, McNally claimed that he has used the bathroom near the field entrance while in possession of the game balls many times. He said that on the day of the AFC Championship Game, he entered the bathroom, dropped the ball bags to his left, and used the urinal to his right. That bathroom, however, does not contain a urinal."
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