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I don't believe the London game has been on national TV the past few years. Not sure why you're assuming the Bills/Jags would of been.
My experience will be great, I've been using ESPN3 for years and it's been great. This is the future and I can't wait for it become this way for every game in every league.
Me neither, but this is the FIRST time the NFL has ever done this. ESPN3 works great NOW- not so much 5 or 6 years ago when they first offered it. We are the guinea pigs and when (not if) they **** it up, we will miss portions of the game.
Me neither, but this is the FIRST time the NFL has ever done this. ESPN3 works great NOW- not so much 5 or 6 years ago when they first offered it. We are the guinea pigs and when (not if) they **** it up, we will miss portions of the game.
Like I said this is great for me. Missing only a few moments, which I don't automatically concede is going to happen, is better than not seeing any of it. Should be a fun experience to see what Yahoo can do with it and how they make it work.
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Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!
Like I said this is great for me. Missing only a few moments, which I don't automatically concede is going to happen, is better than not seeing any of it. Should be a fun experience to see what Yahoo can do with it and how they make it work.
I work in software development and essentially this is deploying to production without a real world test. It always ends poorly. Maybe they have some way to do a load test, but given how they don't even have an accurate way to measure demand, I fail to see how any load test will be sufficient. It's guess work.
And even if it's great for you, some of us are paying for Sunday Ticket and not getting what we pay for, and the league doesn't give a **** because that moron Goodell has this pipe dream about international expansion. He considers current customers to be a given so much so that he is willing to piss them off for an outside chance at new customers. It's an arrogant and poorly conceived strategy.
All I care about pertaining to this thread is eating steak, eggs and bacon at 8:30 am ET and washing it down with my first of many beers a half hour later.
This only gives me another reason to have a party the Saturdary night beforehand. It only makes logical sense.
The only problem might be waking up on time for the game.
All I care about pertaining to this thread is eating steak, eggs and bacon at 8:30 am ET and washing it down with my first of many beers a half hour later.
This only gives me another reason to have a party the Saturdary night beforehand. It only makes logical sense.
The only problem might be waking up on time for the game.
I hate everything about this game.
I hate the fact that the team has to travel 6 or 7 hours and have a 5 hour time difference instead of 3-4 hours travel in the same time zone.
I hate the fact that they have to play in front of lukewarm fans in a foreign country. The fan base will consist of Europeans who don't really care about football and military or ex pat Americans who don't really care about either team.
I hate the fact that the game is on so early.
I hate the fact that I have to watch it on the fickle Internet rather than on DirecTV Sunday Ticket despite paying a small fortune for the privilege of having Sunday Ticket.
I hate the fact that Goodell is willing to alienate his current customer base for the outside shot at an international market.
The only slightly redeeming factor is that for once, an opponent gave up their home game to play in another country instead of us.
I work in software development and essentially this is deploying to production without a real world test. It always ends poorly. Maybe they have some way to do a load test, but given how they don't even have an accurate way to measure demand, I fail to see how any load test will be sufficient. It's guess work.
And even if it's great for you, some of us are paying for Sunday Ticket and not getting what we pay for, and the league doesn't give a **** because that moron Goodell has this pipe dream about international expansion. He considers current customers to be a given so much so that he is willing to piss them off for an outside chance at new customers. It's an arrogant and poorly conceived strategy.
We shall see.
He doesn't give a **** about you not because of his desire to expand the game internationally. He doesn't give a **** because he has you by the balls. Fans, as always, will feign outrage and then be right back in their seats next Sunday to watch the game again. You are the forgone conclusion, why should he cater to you? He has your money locked up, you don't offer anything.
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Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!
He doesn't give a **** about you not because of his desire to expand the game internationally. He doesn't give a **** because he has you by the balls. Fans, as always, will feign outrage and then be right back in their seats next Sunday to watch the game again. You are the forgone conclusion, why should he cater to you? He has your money locked up, you don't offer anything.
My point exactly. It's pure greed. He should give a **** about me because it's people like me that made him and the league rich. But he doesn't. All he cares about is finding people that can make the league go from uber rich to.... well, whatever the next stage of rich is. Tagliabue made a ton of money and grew the league more than any commissioner in any North American sport, but he did it without alienating the die-hards. Goodell thinks we are foregone conclusions but at some point there will be a backlash. The league consistently alienates consistent fans for corporate fans or new markets and it's getting really ****ing old.
I used gamepass as well, and it was fine. Here's the difference though: The # of viewers on game pass is far, far lower then it will be here because most fans watch the game on a TV feed. When you completely flip that so the vast majority are now watching the stream, it's going to lead to problems.
I understand that but I bet they learned a lot at the last superbowl and this is the test run for the next one. I expect it to be fine. Yahoo does have some pretty good horse power behind it.
My point exactly. It's pure greed. He should give a **** about me because it's people like me that made him and the league rich. But he doesn't. All he cares about is finding people that can make the league go from uber rich to.... well, whatever the next stage of rich is. Tagliabue made a ton of money and grew the league more than any commissioner in any North American sport, but he did it without alienating the die-hards. Goodell thinks we are foregone conclusions but at some point there will be a backlash. The league consistently alienates consistent fans for corporate fans or new markets and it's getting really ****ing old.
No there won't be. Stop being so melodramatic.
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Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!
Baseball was huge before the '94 strike and it took the steroid-fueled home run derby to bring it back.
The Redskins have lost a generation of fans, due to a combination of being a 2-team market with the much better Ravens and Snyder pricing people out of going to the games.
Nothing is untouchable, no matter how ingrained in the culture it may seem.
Baseball was huge before the '94 strike and it took the steroid-fueled home run derby to bring it back.
The Redskins have lost a generation of fans, due to a combination of being a 2-team market with the much better Ravens and Snyder pricing people out of going to the games.
Nothing is untouchable, no matter how ingrained in the culture it may seem.
Sure they do, but neither example you cited has anything to do with what the NFL is currently. Also the Skins sucking for a while and the Ravens winning a Super Bowl also was by far the largest factor.
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Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!
Sure they do, but neither example you cited has anything to do with what the NFL is currently. Also the Skins sucking for a while and the Ravens winning a Super Bowl also was by far the largest factor.
It absolutely has to do with what the NFL is currently.
The Redskins took their fans for granted because they were local. Fans are bred when kids watch the games on TV and occasionally their dad takes them to a home game. But when the dads could no longer afford to take their kids to a game and breed that loyalty, and a better team was on TV for free every week, the fans Snyder took for granted were lost.
The league as a whole is doing the same things now. Goodell is pushing family-friendly "fan conduct policies" even as the league prices most families out of the game and hypocritically pushes a party atmosphere through alcohol advertisers and alcohol sales in stadiums. Goodell is alienating die-hard fans with things like these international games and "flex games" because he assumes they will always be there. It's the same mistake Snyder made on a larger level. He's assuming his product is so great that people will be willing to keep paying for it, even as prices increase and the experience decreases. He hasn't hit the breaking point yet, but there is a breaking point.
I don't believe the London game has been on national TV the past few years. Not sure why you're assuming the Bills/Jags would of been.
My experience will be great, I've been using ESPN3 for years and it's been great. This is the future and I can't wait for it become this way for every game in every league.
Last year, since the game was moved to 9:00 AM it has been on National TV.
And I will bet you if the other London game is on at 9:00 AM, it will be on National TV as well.
And if a few people stream, that is one thing, but we will see what happens when Bills Nation streams that game.
And for me even if I get a good stream with no buffering at all, it won't be as good an experience as watching the game on my TIVO.
It absolutely has to do with what the NFL is currently.
The Redskins took their fans for granted because they were local. Fans are bred when kids watch the games on TV and occasionally their dad takes them to a home game. But when the dads could no longer afford to take their kids to a game and breed that loyalty, and a better team was on TV for free every week, the fans Snyder took for granted were lost.
The league as a whole is doing the same things now. Goodell is pushing family-friendly "fan conduct policies" even as the league prices most families out of the game and hypocritically pushes a party atmosphere through alcohol advertisers and alcohol sales in stadiums. Goodell is alienating die-hard fans with things like these international games and "flex games" because he assumes they will always be there. It's the same mistake Snyder made on a larger level. He's assuming his product is so great that people will be willing to keep paying for it, even as prices increase and the experience decreases. He hasn't hit the breaking point yet, but there is a breaking point.
A couple more points Op, when I was a kid, baseball was played mostly during the day. Even the World Series.
Teachers would put the World Series game on TV in school & not teach while the game was on.
Baseball was KING. Now it has been knocked off its throne by Football, especially the NFL because baseball stopped cultivating its audience of YOUNG fans, showing BIG games when they had to go to sleep.
And when the NFL started its own channel, the NFL Network, it was geared towards the hardcore fan. I LOVED it.
I hardly watch it anymore except for Thursday night football because it is now like a woman's talk show.
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