QB is already known at OBD!!

[swiper]

Walt Patulsky
Manuel's complete story may not be written, but if the Bills don't get anything out of him then he's got to be considered as one of the worst.

[HHURRICANE]

Cassel will be the starter but you will see a lot of Tyrod too. I think Roman is gameplanning for both QBs. Even plays with both QBs on the field.

My buddy was at camp yesterday, who is a big Tyrod fan, and said both Cassel andTyrod looked very good. He said Tyrod throws a very tight ball. If Tyrod wins the job because he's the best I can handle eating crow on this board.

BTW he said EJ did not look so good.

[Victor7]

The Bills got Kiko with the pick they got from trading down.

They did not use the #9 pick on EJ, they traded DOWN & got BOTH EJ & Kiko for the price of that #9 pick.

K ... thanks I guess

Still. Your comment makes no sense. Somebody else called EJ one of our worst 1st round picks. You said that he wasn't and used Kiko's trade down as proof of it. I'll ask again .... Uhm what ??

Whether Manuel's 16th pick slot came from a trade down or not is irrelevant. He was picked in the 1st round and Kiko wasn't. Simple as that. Your argument is not only invalid but quite frankly dumb.

[WagonCircler]

Walt Patulsky
Manuel's complete story may not be written, but if the Bills don't get anything out of him then he's got to be considered as one of the worst.

The thing is, the EJ pick is so much worse because of the ripple effect that a bad QB pick has. You miss on Patulski or Mike Williams? Well, that sucks, but it doesn't destroy you like missing on the most important position on the team does.

And when you compound it with Whaley's asinine stubbornness about addressing the problem, you have an absolute nightmare.

The Tom Cousineau pick ended up working out, because we were able to eventually trade him to the Browns for the pick that got us Jim Kelly.

The EJ pick is a massive net loss with no upside.

[better days]

The thing is, the EJ pick is so much worse because of the ripple effect that a bad QB pick has. You miss on Patulski or Mike Williams? Well, that sucks, but it doesn't destroy you like missing on the most important position on the team does.

And when you compound it with Whaley's asinine stubbornness about addressing the problem, you have an absolute nightmare.

The Tom Cousineau pick ended up working out, because we were able to eventually trade him to the Browns for the pick that got us Jim Kelly.

The EJ pick is a massive net loss with no upside.

His Rookie year, EJ was supposed to sit & Kolb was to be the starter.

Kolb was injured which forced EJ to start.

And EJ played as well as could be expected, probably better than could be expected his Rookie year.

His 2nd year, EJ was 2-2 before Orton took over.

I don't see how his pick set the Bills back at all.

[gebobs]

The fact that the starting position is still up for grabs speaks volumes. Warts on all of them. We just haven't seen Tie Rod's.

We came closer to the playoffs last year with Uncle Orton than we have in a while. I don't really see us getting much closer.

Smart money is on a 16th straight season.

[gebobs]

The EJ pick is a massive net loss with no upside.

Massive? It was a late first rounder that missed. Happens a lot. Especially in Buffalo. Just gotta suck it up. Sunk cost. Move on.

But to your point...the Bills aren't ready to admit it.

[WagonCircler]

Massive? It was a late first rounder that missed. Happens a lot. Especially in Buffalo. Just gotta suck it up. Sunk cost. Move on.

But to your point...the Bills aren't ready to admit it.

Yes, massive. For the reasons I stated above.

You can't look at it as being equal to the value of a late first round pick. It's not that simple.

The gridlock that it caused at the QB position has damaged this team and the lack of pursuit of a real solution at the position will essentially negate the best Defense this team has ever had.

The QB position is the Achille's heel that dooms this team, and the blown pick along with the accompanying stubbornness is at the root of a still festering problem with no solution in sight.

We don't even yet know the full extent of the damage, and it's already massive.

[gebobs]

You can't look at it as being equal to the value of a late first round pick.

But that's the fact.

It's not that simple.

Thus the second line of my post. It's massive only because OBD won't divest themselves of the pick. I agree with you completely as much as it might not seem like it. I'm a bit hungover today and my brain isn't communicating so well.

[Dr. Lecter]

I know it's important as the mod to be right....

I usually don't think it is, but maybe I'll make an exception here.

[HHURRICANE]

I'm sick of Billszone letting the Chinese hack my account.

Is there anything we can do about this???

[BillsImpossible]

I'm sick of Billszone letting the Chinese hack my account.

Is there anything we can do about this???

lol, that was funny.

Thanks Mitt Romney.

Would you like a some flip flops with your waffles?

[Goobylal]

lol, that was funny.

Thanks Mitt Romney.

Would you like a some flip flops with your waffles?

Naw, just rename it "evolving."

[BertSquirtgum]

Wagoncirle must be having fits of rage today

[BertSquirtgum]

Its gonna be Cassel folks. Make your peace with it.

All the Bills need is a guy that can complete a few throws and not make many mistakes. That is NOT the definition of EJ Manuel who can't complete a pass to save his inaccurate life.

Taylor is a 3rd stringer.

Cassel is the only experienced one of the 3. He's gonna get the gig.

So Cassel is the starter eh? What say you now?

[HHURRICANE]

The funny part is Meathead said 1000% it was EJ while I was pontificating on Cassel. Who knew Tyrod would get the job.

I posted that my buddy knew that it was Tyrods job to lose and I still didn't believe him and he had the inside track.

[justasportsfan]

The funny part is Meathead said 1000% it was EJ while I was pontificating on Cassel. Who knew Tyrod would get the job.

I posted that my buddy knew that it was Tyrods job to lose and I still didn't believe him and he had the inside track.

Trying to deflect your bust of a prediction on mh. Sad

[HHURRICANE]

Trying to deflect your bust of a prediction on mh. Sad

Hey look up the page. On the 13th I said I'd be fine with Tyrod winning the job.

You've always been a jerk on this board. It's a fan site to have fun. Sorry your life is so pathetic.