Roger Goodell upholds Tom Brady suspension

[Victor7]

How far is he willing to go to keep this charade? Is he willing to go to court and risk perjuring himself?

He's going for ARod like levels of denial. This all would've been forgotten by now if Brady had an ounce of humility and had come out and accepted his part in this whole thing like a man.

[BuffaloRedleg]

Isn't Brady opening himself to a serious can of trouble here?

Won't he have to testify? Won't he be running into the much bigger issue of perjury?

This is just ****ing silly. Take your 4 games and let us all move on.

This is the controversy the NFL deserves for all its faux seriousness and delusions of grandeur.

[Mace]

I read this somewhere else and it made sense....



The appeal will NOT be based on the facts of whether or not the balls were deflated at Brady's or anyone elses direction. The NFLPA has already laid out what the appeal will likely be based on:

■ The NFL had no policy that applied to players;
■ The NFL provided no notice of any such policy or potential discipline to players;
■ The NFL resorted to a nebulous standard of “general awareness” to predicate a legally unjustified punishment;
■ The NFL had no procedures in place until two days ago to test air pressure in footballs; and
■ The NFL violated the plain meaning of the collective bargaining agreement.

If that is a basis for a lawsuit, Brady's text messages won't be relevant. And therefore its unlikely a subpoena would be granted for those records.

Yeah, it sort of makes sense but won't make Brady look good, which doesn't seem to be the point anyway, even to Brady.

I have a feeling it will hinge on the NFL adopting a pseudo legal process without it being a real legal process. Brady's lawyer mentions the legal technicals the "defense" wasn't subject to while having to adopt the "legals" the NFL decided gave it their best pseudo legal case, arbitrarily.

Whether or not Brady is right or wrong on a personal/player level, the NFL's legal not legal facade subject to itself is going to take a wicked beating if this gets before a judge in a real court of law where they try to pretend it is real law against real law.

In a nutshell, I guess what I'm saying is that Brady can't win in the court of public opinion, but the NFL comes out worse in the court where it matters. Like you can't cite due process as a legal basis when you didn't give one.

It's not even going to be about whether or not Brady really even did anything.

[CommissarSpartacus]

I dunno. Maybe. But you have to admit it's peculiar he destroyed his phone knowing they wanted it.

Why is it peculiar? I'm sure there's lots of stuff on there pertinent to the situation. As I'm sure there's also all sorts of stuff NOT pertinent to the situation that the NFL hanging judges get to see?

Demanding people turn over their cell phones after the fact is defacto bugging their telephones without a warrant. Can the NSA override it? For national security reasons but deflated footballs? Tom Brady might have had very good reasons other than admissions of guilt to want to keep his PRIVATE correspondense private.

Look, if your boss, on a tip from a fellow employee who hates you, accuses you of cheating on your expense reports and demands you turn over your cell phone, do you have the right to tell him to **** off? Why should your boss be able to invade your privacy just so you can try to prove a negative? It's ridiculous.

Oddly enough, this reminds me of the run up to the Iraq War, where nothing Saddam could do or say would convince people he didn't have WMDs. And when Saddam balked at some of the more ridiculous requests, everyone tsk tsked about him hiding things and used the famous old police state homily, "If you've done nothing wrong, you've got nothing to hide". Of course, as history has confirmed Saddam DIDN'T have WMDs and all that bleating about he's hiding stuff was crap. A gigantic disater followed

If Roger Goodell needs to find proof in Tom Brady's cell phone, he should be ashamed of himself for ever making this an issue.

It's almost like the Spanish Inquisition.

This is ruining the NFL. A stupid vendettab against it's most famous player over a fraction of a psi of air pressure.

Disgusting. Worst kind of American ass holery.

[BuffaloRedleg]

Why is it peculiar? I'm sure there's lots of stuff on there pertinent to the situation. As I'm sure there's also all sorts of stuff NOT pertinent to the situation that the NFL hanging judges get to see?

Demanding people turn over their cell phones after the fact is defacto bugging their telephones without a warrant. Can the NSA override it? For national security reasons but deflated footballs? Tom Brady might have had very good reasons other than admissions of guilt to want to keep his PRIVATE correspondense private.

Look, if your boss, on a tip from a fellow employee who hates you, accuses you of cheating on your expense reports and demands you turn over your cell phone, do you have the right to tell him to **** off? Why should your boss be able to invade your privacy just so you can try to prove a negative? It's ridiculous.

Oddly enough, this reminds me of the run up to the Iraq War, where nothing Saddam could do or say would convince people he didn't have WMDs. And when Saddam balked at some of the more ridiculous requests, everyone tsk tsked about him hiding things and used the famous old police state homily, "If you've done nothing wrong, you've got nothing to hide". Of course, as history has confirmed Saddam DIDN'T have WMDs and all that bleating about he's hiding stuff was crap. A gigantic disater followed

If Roger Goodell needs to find proof in Tom Brady's cell phone, he should be ashamed of himself for ever making this an issue.

It's almost like the Spanish Inquisition.

This is ruining the NFL. A stupid vendettab against it's most famous player over a fraction of a psi of air pressure.

Disgusting. Worst kind of American ass holery.

The Tribunal of the Holy Office of the Inquisition (Spanish: Tribunal del Santo Oficio de la Inquisición), commonly known as the Spanish Inquisition (Inquisición española), was established in 1478 by Catholic Monarchs Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile. It was intended to maintain Catholic orthodoxy in their kingdoms and to replace the Medieval Inquisition, which was under Papal control. It became the most substantive of the three different manifestations of the wider Christian Inquisition along with the Roman Inquisition and Portuguese Inquisition. The "Spanish Inquisition" may be defined broadly, operating "in Spain and in all Spanish colonies and territories, which included the Canary Islands, the Spanish Netherlands, the Kingdom of Naples, and all Spanish possessions in North, Central, and South America." This page focuses on the tribunal in Iberia. For other coverage consult Mexican Inquisition, Peruvian Inquisition and Inquisition of the Netherlands. For the period during which Portugal and Spain were under common rule consult Portuguese Inquisition and Goa Inquisition.
The Inquisition was originally intended in large part to ensure the orthodoxy of those who converted from Judaism and Islam. This regulation of the faith of the newly converted was intensified after the royal decrees issued in 1492 and 1501 ordering Jews and Muslims to convert or leave Spain.
Various motives have been proposed for the monarchs' decision to found the Inquisition such as increasing political authority, weakening opposition, suppressing conversos, profiting from confiscation of the property of convicted heretics, reducing social tensions, and protecting the kingdom from the danger of a fifth column.
The body was under the direct control of the Spanish monarchy. It was not definitively abolished until 1834, during the reign of Isabella II, after a period of declining influence in the previous century.
The Spanish Inquisition is often cited in literature and history as an example of Catholic intolerance and repression. Modern historians have tended to question earlier and possibly exaggerated accounts concerning the severity of the Inquisition. Although records are incomplete, estimates of the number of persons charged with crimes by the Inquisition range up to 150,000, with 2,000 to 5,000 people executed.

Sure thing, buddy.

[Discotrish]

He could've just said no. He didn't have to destroy the phone.

Patti

[YardRat]

Yeah, Brady is exhibiting the worst kind of American ass holery, I can agree with that.

Since you brought up Iraq, Brady and Belichick are the NFL version of Bush and Cheney.

They lied.
They ignored the rules.
They pitched integrity for personal gain.

There is a philosophical disconnect in supporting one and degrading the other.

[Skooby]

Brady destroying the phone the day he was to be interviewed by his boss' lackey is justification for termination, he's lucky he even still has a job. Any normal person who totally dic*s the boss over for his own personal gain is bound to have a problem, so him thinking it was his right to not level with the NFL is a joke. If he simply said every QB modifies the ball to their liking & he likes them less inflated than normal is his style, that'd be grounds for other QB's to admit they have their own style as well.

Pride has gotten in the way of sensibility, which looks to doom Tommy Boy.

[Meathead]

It will be interesting to see what happens to the Patriots' fumble rate this year.

Patti

we already know. just got to sit back and watch the condemnations pour in as the data piles up

[Meathead]

The longer this goes on, the worse it gets for Brady, Belichick, kraft and the Pat's organization. I hope it drags out as long as it takes for the general consensus to wake up and realize none of them belong in the HOF and anything they've accomplished in the last 15 seasons is through cheating and subterfuge, not skill and competitiveness.

i wouldnt go that far, they are good. but they are also filthy cheaters and deserve to have any championships won while they were cheating taken away. which of course is all of them. wont ever happen but thats what should happen

kinda pathetic since they didnt need to do any of it to be very very good. but i still hope they drag it out as long as possible so that they erase any doubt about their level of douchebaggery

[upstart]

LMAO,

hillary rodham Clinton can withhold and destroy her State Department E-mails and it's ok with some of you. But, if Tom Brady, a football player decides not to turn over his phone it's the end of the world.

With some of you people the standards are insane.

[Skooby]

LMAO,

hillary rodham Clinton can withhold and destroy her State Department E-mails and it's ok with some of you. But, if Tom Brady, a football player decides not to turn over his phone it's the end of the world.

With some of you people the standards are insane.

My world didn't change & if Brady plays or not is his problem, not mine. HRC isn't going to become president because Trump is winning it all.

[Meathead]

LMAO,

hillary rodham Clinton can withhold and destroy her State Department E-mails and it's ok with some of you. But, if Tom Brady, a football player decides not to turn over his phone it's the end of the world.

With some of you people the standards are insane.

just for clarity, this started with karl rove and the whole rnc email server thing where he did essentially the same exact thing. somehow all those emails also got lost even though backup technology makes it practically impossible now

this is what these politicians do with the email issue now, they play games so that they can avoid having their emails gone thru. its offensive and improper and unethical but its now the standard both parties adhere to. the rest of the stuff on this issue really is just showmanship until we the ppl decide to punish them for it cuz it aint ever going to change unless we do

and most assuredly, it is anything but one sided

[POTLAND PSILBYLO]

He's going for ARod like levels of denial. This all would've been forgotten by now if Brady had an ounce of humility and had come out and accepted his part in this whole thing like a man.

If he was a man he wouldn't have cheated.

[HHURRICANE]

This hasn't been brought up but the NFL could get an injunction which essentially would keep him off the field anyway.

[CommissarSpartacus]

Americans be cra2y.

What's Brady's record vs the Bills? Something like 23 -2?

The guy has made the Bills his ***** for over a decade and now Bills fans are acting all self-righteous over accusations of slightly underinflated footballs to try to knock the guy down?

It'd be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

[YardRat]

Americans be cra2y.

What's Brady's record vs the Bills? Something like 23 -2?

The guy has made the Bills his ***** for over a decade and now Bills fans are acting all self-righteous over accusations of slightly underinflated footballs to try to knock the guy down?

It'd be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

What's pathetic is the fact that the 'self-righteousness' isn't based on a single incident, as you claim, but a long and documented history of cheating from the very moment Belichick was hired. It isn't sour grapes, it's 'I told you so'.

Pat's fans go to the wall defending Brady and whining about the 'unfairness', Bills fans man-up and accept the Dareus suspension because he deserves it. Big difference.

[CommissarSpartacus]

What's pathetic is the fact that the 'self-righteousness' isn't based on a single incident, as you claim, but a long and documented history of cheating from the very moment Belichick was hired. It isn't sour grapes, it's 'I told you so'.

Pat's fans go to the wall defending Brady and whining about the 'unfairness', Bills fans man-up and accept the Dareus suspension because he deserves it. Big difference.

Just pathetic. I'll never look at football, or football fans the same way.

The NFL used to represent everything that made America great, now it represents everything that's awful. Idiotic values, phony baloney standards, win at all costs "ethics", self-serving rationali2ations, and above all, a virulent hatred of excellence.

Lynch mob America.

Where's the rope!

[Discotrish]

The NFL used to represent everything that made America great, now it represents everything that's awful. Idiotic values, phony baloney standards, win at all costs "ethics", self-serving rationali2ations, and above all, a virulent hatred of excellence.

Sounds like you're talking about Brady and the Patriots.

Substitute cheating for excellence.

Patti

[coastal]

Butt Foqing cheaters