Blackhawks Patrick Kane subject in police probe

[chernobylwraiths]

Not really sure how that helps or hurts. We know the girls went to the house willingly. We know one wanted to go while the other was more reluctant. It doesn't add any new information.

Just seems as if another friend is trying to refute the victim's desire to be there, even to the point of implying it was her idea.

Very difficult and tricky terrain Op. I understand and agree that people put themselves in positions of danger and when something happens are surprised. I also understand that you said that consent is necessary, but when it is implied that one wanted to go there and then "backs out at the last minute", there is a clear implication that it is the victims fault in some way or that she did it on purpose to get a payday.

In all likelihood, nobody will ever know.

As a father of three daughters, I try to tell them all the time about not putting themselves in these kinds of circumstances, but that is much easier said than done.

[OpIv37]

If you ask me, they were both stupid.

The girls need to realize that they don't know what's going to happen once they get in the house, and we live in a society where people are less inclined to believe women, and that factor becomes stronger when the man is a respected local professional athlete. It's not fair, but it's the reality.

Kane needs to realize that a) he can't do whatever he wants because of who he is and b) he shouldn't be putting himself in these situations because he could be accused of rape from someone wanting a payday (or a disgruntled Lightning fan) whether he did it or not.

[chernobylwraiths]

If you ask me, they were both stupid.

The girls need to realize that they don't know what's going to happen once they get in the house, and we live in a society where people are less inclined to believe women, and that factor becomes stronger when the man is a respected local professional athlete. It's not fair, but it's the reality.

Kane needs to realize that a) he can't do whatever he wants because of who he is and b) he shouldn't be putting himself in these situations because he could be accused of rape from someone wanting a payday (or a disgruntled Lightning fan) whether he did it or not.

I agree with you, but many (and again, I am not saying you) imply from this that the woman holds a some responsibility if she gets raped. And although they might have made a bad error in judgement, they hold absolutely no responsibility in being sexually assaulted.

[OpIv37]

I agree with you, but many (and again, I am not saying you) imply from this that the woman holds a some responsibility if she gets raped. And although they might have made a bad error in judgement, they hold absolutely no responsibility in being sexually assaulted.

Agreed. A woman can withdraw consent at any time. From a male perspective, having a girl hang all over you all night and go home with you only to refuse sex at the last minute is an extremely frustrating experience. But it does not in any way, shape or form justify rape or mean she "was asking for it."

[chernobylwraiths]

Agreed. A woman can withdraw consent at any time. From a male perspective, having a girl hang all over you all night and go home with you only to refuse sex at the last minute is an extremely frustrating experience. But it does not in any way, shape or form justify rape or mean she "was asking for it."

never really experienced A, B plenty

ha

[Ingtar33]

I agree with you, but many (and again, I am not saying you) imply from this that the woman holds a some responsibility if she gets raped. And although they might have made a bad error in judgement, they hold absolutely no responsibility in being sexually assaulted.

now this line i can't agree with.

If i play with a loaded gun, safety off and i drop it by accident and get shot, that's my own darned fault. If i play in the middle of a highway during rush hour and someone hits me, that's my own darned fault. and if i douse myself in chum and jump into the middle of a feeding frenzy that's my own darned fault. This idea that a woman bears NO RESPONSIBILITY EVER when getting raped is nonsense. no woman in her right mind would jump the fence into a man's prison naked as the day she was born and not expect to be raped.

That said, just because women sometimes bear some responsibility for their bad choices the result DOES NOT MEAN in the slightest that the men involved are "less" guilty. Or should have a "lesser sentence".

Two girls, likely drunk went to a pro-athlete's home after hitting on him at a bar. I think everyone involved thought they were going to have a night of sex. THAT DOES NOT MEAN this girl was not raped. As i said before it sounds like kane shoved it someplace she didn't want it. that's rape. no questions about it.

[JATMtheJATM]

Rumor has it 5+ teams called the hawks about kane this summer. Buffalo was Confirmed

[coastal]

Patty boy is going to jail.

[Skooby]

Patty boy is going to jail.

You really don't think his lawyers will work out a deal ??

[OpIv37]

Patty boy is going to jail.

No way. They settle out of court for 7 figures., charges get dropped.

Kane gladly pays it for the right to remain a free man.

[ticatfan]

He has never been charged, but as hawk fan , I have no problem trading him.

[Skooby]

I hope the Sabres rumors are true, come home Patty cakes and let's roll to a title.

[casdhf]

What would we have to give up to get him? There is no way we pony up what would be required.

McCabe, Reinhart, 2 firsts and a couple more prospects?

[JATMtheJATM]

Patty boy is going to jail.

I was reading yesterday from someone that has a source (grain of salt time) that the DA said this is as close to a slap dunk case as can be. He might be in some ****

[Dr. Lecter]

now this line i can't agree with.

If i play with a loaded gun, safety off and i drop it by accident and get shot, that's my own darned fault. If i play in the middle of a highway during rush hour and someone hits me, that's my own darned fault. and if i douse myself in chum and jump into the middle of a feeding frenzy that's my own darned fault. This idea that a woman bears NO RESPONSIBILITY EVER when getting raped is nonsense. no woman in her right mind would jump the fence into a man's prison naked as the day she was born and not expect to be raped.

That said, just because women sometimes bear some responsibility for their bad choices the result DOES NOT MEAN in the slightest that the men involved are "less" guilty. Or should have a "lesser sentence".

Two girls, likely drunk went to a pro-athlete's home after hitting on him at a bar. I think everyone involved thought they were going to have a night of sex. THAT DOES NOT MEAN this girl was not raped. As i said before it sounds like kane shoved it someplace she didn't want it. that's rape. no questions about it.

You're smarter than this.

[Skooby]

You're smarter than this.

Not after writing that hot mess.

[DetDannyWilliams]

Kane witness subpoenaed to appear before grand jury

(Sent from WGRZ2)
http://www.wgrz.com/story/news/local...jury/71670684/

[ticatfan]

Just heard on the radio a financial deal is close with the women. This is wrong if she walks away with money and he does not get charged.

[WagonCircler]

I've heard the story that's circulation from several reliable sources. The only thing I know is that nobody knows what happened except the people involved.

Somebody asked a question online today about settlements. To paraphrase, if you were accused of rape and you were innocent, wouldn't you spend every last dime to clear your name?

Fair question. But it brings to mind another question.

If you were raped, would you accept money instead of seeing your rapist go to prison, especially when there's a very good chance that he would be convicted and you could sue him in civil court?

If this is settled with a payoff, it creates more questions than it answers.

[casdhf]

I think that you're looking at it from the wrong standpoint. If I'm Pat Kane, who has more money than he will ever really know what to do with (if he is smart), and I am in his situation, I am paying this woman off. This is strictly a he said/she said, which means that a jury could convict him. Why take the risk? His reputation can never be restored after the allegations, true or not. I pay the price, move on, and never put myself in that situation again.