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Cassel hasn't been allowed to play much. You can only use stats, if there are stats to be had. Such a small sampling (14 passes by your count) doesn't show you anything. Not good or bad.
Well, there are YEARS of stats for Cassel, and TERRIBLE stats at that, but the HATERS know EJ sucks after a small sample size of 14 games.
Since they all bring something different to the table, I'd almost like to see them try a QB by committee approach. Play a QB against a team where their skillset matches up well against. Like Cassel vs. Washington or Tyrod against Miami. In any case, I'd rather see TT against a team with a strong pass rush rather than Cassel taking sacks.
And yes, I know they'll never do this. I just think it's an interesting idea.
I voted for Tyrod but I'm trying to temper my enthusiasm. His first series against Cleveland reminded of the scripted first series you'd see during the regular season where even guys like Manuel and Edwards looked like hall of famers. I don't know what it is about those first drives, but over the years, we had several of them where our QBs looked incredibly decisive, accurate and effective. Then the second and third series come around, the defense has got a look at what our offense is doing and adapts accordingly. Usually that means a three and out. Sure enough, Taylor's second drive ended in a punt. Taylor's strengths lay in his ability to adjust during the play, with his feet. I loved seeing Manuel adapt to the play pre snap, with the audible he called himself at the end of the game.
I want to see consistent scoring drives from Taylor, not just relying on the first scripted drive he got in Cleveland.
Tsk, tsk BD... Haven't you heard that we mustn't use stats?
Stats are unreliable in preseason. I'm not saying you can't use them, I'm saying they can be misleading. I'm sure I could find you a lot of players that had good stats against 3rd stringers across teams this year, that doesn't mean they should start. Without the full compliment of players, you have to look at performance from a different angle. Some idiot missing an easy field goal shouldn't count against Tyrod, but it would in your analysis. Some scrub dropping an easy pass shouldn't count against Tyrod, but it does in your analysis.
I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand. I seriously feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
What has Taylor, since he's your dog in this fight, done to distance himself from Matt Cassel or EJ Manuel during the games?
Taylor led the first team offense to a FG, so did Cassel. Taylor led the second team to TDs, well Manuel led the 3rd team to TDs in both games.
Out of the group the best passer so far has been EJ Manuel but he screws up other plays that drags him back to the pack, like fumbling 2 out of his first 3 plays the first week or fumbling down near the goal line last night.
You watched the game right? He had multiple sustained drives, made multiple plays on 3rd down that extended drives through the air, moved the offense efficiently... all with scrubs in at WR and RB. I'm not saying I'm gonzo about him, but he did what he needed to do. You are acting like I think he is amazing, I don't. I think that he performed just as well if not better as the other 2 when weighted for circumstances and has a much higher upside. He's exciting. That counts, it is sports right? It's supposed to be fun.
Not to be a naysayer, but you've also got to take into account that 2 to 3 of the players that were starting in Clevelands secondary on Thursday night aren't even going to make their roster. So it's not like our 4th through 6th wide outs were matched up against 1st and second teamers.
With that saw, I slso think that Tyrod Taylor has a very appealing skill set. I feel that Cassel can manage a game enough for this ro be a playoff team. If Taylor can prove to do the same against a starting caliber secondary with his added skill set, this can be a dangerous team.
That doesn't make you a naysayer, that is completely fair analysis and I agree. Tyrod is the only one that gives us a chance to be dangerous (I like that you used that word). Cassel might sneak us into the playoffs, maybe Manuel too, and they may be better QBs. But Tyrod has the potential to make us dangerous and I'd like to see that through.
Stats are unreliable in preseason. I'm not saying you can't use them, I'm saying they can be misleading. I'm sure I could find you a lot of players that had good stats against 3rd stringers across teams this year, that doesn't mean they should start. Without the full compliment of players, you have to look at performance from a different angle. Some idiot missing an easy field goal shouldn't count against Tyrod, but it would in your analysis. Some scrub dropping an easy pass shouldn't count against Tyrod, but it does in your analysis.
I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand. I seriously feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
Yes... EJ is the one I think should start. He's thrown for TD's. He's consistently maintained an excellent PR so far. He's improved from his previous 2 seasons.
No... I don't think he will be named he starter for the Colts game.
No... I do not think carrying Cassel's salary is worth it considering the play from TT and EJ.
Yes... EJ is the one I think should start. He's thrown for TD's. He's consistently maintained an excellent PR so far. He's improved from his previous 2 seasons.
No... I don't think he will be named he starter for the Colts game.
No... I do not think carrying Cassel's salary is worth it considering the play from TT and EJ.
I guess where we disagree is that touchdowns against 3rd stringers is not enough for me to consider him for the starting job. Is this seriously the best analysis people can do... he threw the most TDs? Completely devoid of context??
He looked pretty damn bad last year and lost the starting job to a has-been (yes we can argue about the validity of that all day but whatever). I don't see any reason to think he has improved and to suggest that he has based on his uneven play against very weak competition is just plain incorrect. He looks exactly the same as he always has- uneven and frustrating and sometimes brilliant. I don't know why you are so butthurt about this. Do you seriously feel THAT strongly that he should be the starter? Even if you think he should be, I hardly think there is anything that impressive about what he has done to be getting all hot in the panties about it.
People keep saying that anyone who wants TT to start thinks he is the second coming of Jesus, and that just isn't the case. Nobody thinks he is the savior yet. He has moved the ball effectively and efficiently and has the potential to be an exciting player. It's a difference of opinion that we'll never see eye to eye on, but for the love of God stop acting like it is an obvious open and shut case that EJ should play and TT is garbage. That is just false and it makes this forum a real chore.
Thinking back to the 90s it seemed every preseason the was some no name RB that would out rush, have a high yards per carry and out score Thurman Thomas. Never did anyone consider giving that RB 1st team rep and Thomas 2nd. Why? Thurman was going against NFL starting players and the other RBs stats were bloated by the level of competition he was going against. Same thing here, your comparing stats of 2 QBs that have played vs NFL starters and EJ who's stats are bloated by going up against 3rd stringers.
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