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  • POTLAND PSILBYLO
    Asst to Dean Vernon Wormer
    • Nov 2012
    • 14077

    #16
    Re: Deflationgate = Complete & Utter Overreaction

    Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
    The fumble stats?



    Is that what you guys are gonna cling to? That's pathetic.
    Yeah. Pshaw.
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    • YardRat
      Well, lookie here...
      • Dec 2004
      • 86288

      #17
      Re: Deflationgate = Complete & Utter Overreaction

      Welcome to the WWFL.

      The rules, bylaws and CBA obviously aren't worth the toilet paper they are written on.

      Goodell definitely needs to go, but so does Kraft, Belichek and Brady. The last 15 years has made the league a complete joke, and the four individuals mentioned are 100% complicit.
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      • OpIv37
        Acid Douching Asswipe
        • Sep 2002
        • 101312

        #18
        Re: Deflationgate = Complete & Utter Overreaction

        Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
        The fumble stats?



        Is that what you guys are gonna cling to? That's pathetic.
        Yeah, who needs data that shows the Pats did something that's statically impossible to happen by random chance. **** the facts!
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        • Spartacus
          Registered User
          • Mar 2003
          • 54101

          #19
          Re: Deflationgate = Complete & Utter Overreaction



          You guys are insane.

          "No, no, I don't care what the judge said, I don't care that there's no proof, I don't even care if they WERE set up, I don't care because THE FUMBLE STATISTICS ARE IRREFUTABLE PROOF THEY CHEATED! There's no other explanation!"

          A question - if the fumble stats are a slam dunk, how come they weren't used in the Wells report?

          "Oh NOE2! Save us. stats nerds, SAVE THE INTEGRITY OF PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL!"
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          • trapezeus
            Legendary Zoner
            • Oct 2004
            • 19525

            #20
            Re: Deflationgate = Complete & Utter Overreaction

            look at the team's values since the pats have been winners and gotten a "fanbase". In the 90's the bills, one of the lowest valued teams was 300-400MM. They were sold for $1.4BN in 2014. Having the fairly populated northeast actually interested in football has helped every single team's value. If we really think the owners care about fair play, we are being delusional.

            they've let this charade go on so long that it's impossible to stop. frankly, if i was goodell, i would sing like a canary about spygate and why i destroyed the tapes. i would say, "there was more than enough evidence that they should have their championships revoked and we have enough teams asking about it, that i took the relatively mild approach of suspending one guy 4 games. boston should have just thanked me and been on its way. now we should look at clipping all 4 superbowls and expose the pats for what they are. clear cheaters."

            That would be entertaining television.

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            Originally posted by Spartacus View Post


            You guys are insane.

            "No, no, I don't care what the judge said, I don't care that there's no proof, I don't even care if they WERE set up, I don't care because THE FUMBLE STATISTICS ARE IRREFUTABLE PROOF THEY CHEATED! There's no other explanation!"

            A question - if the fumble stats are a slam dunk, how come they weren't used in the Wells report?

            "Oh NOE2! Save us. stats nerds, SAVE THE INTEGRITY OF PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL!"
            says the guy who can't write the letter z.

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            • OpIv37
              Acid Douching Asswipe
              • Sep 2002
              • 101312

              #21
              Re: Deflationgate = Complete & Utter Overreaction

              Originally posted by Spartacus View Post


              You guys are insane.

              "No, no, I don't care what the judge said, I don't care that there's no proof, I don't even care if they WERE set up, I don't care because THE FUMBLE STATISTICS ARE IRREFUTABLE PROOF THEY CHEATED! There's no other explanation!"

              A question - if the fumble stats are a slam dunk, how come they weren't used in the Wells report?

              "Oh NOE2! Save us. stats nerds, SAVE THE INTEGRITY OF PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL!"
              You've been slamming the Wells report as being incomplete this whole time. Now you are trying to say that evidence isn't real because it wasn't in the Wells report. Don't make me bust out the circular reasoning gif.
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              • chris66
                Registered User
                • Sep 2006
                • 604

                #22
                Re: Deflationgate = Complete & Utter Overreaction

                Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
                Look at the fumble stats. If you think this only happened in one game that was a blowout, you're delusional. They've been doing it since the league starts allowing teams to provide their own balls.

                Oh, and btw, the bring your own balls rule is at least the third rule the league made to help Brady, after the tuck rule and "no hitting below the knees" rule. No one gave a **** when Wilfork took out Losman's knee, but when it happened to Brady on a much less ,malicious play, RULE CHANGE!!!!

                The league has coddled that team so bad. For once, Goodell attempts to stand up to Kraft and proves once and for all that he's nothing but Kraft's *****.

                Expect another SB win for the Pats because NE has proven they can cheat and bully their way to titles and Goodell can't do anything to stop them.
                Dont put to much stock in the fumble stats. They fumble less on the road than at home. Unless the home team equipment guys are cheating for them as well.

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                • Spartacus
                  Registered User
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 54101

                  #23
                  Re: Deflationgate = Complete & Utter Overreaction

                  Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
                  You've been slamming the Wells report as being incomplete this whole time. Now you are trying to say that evidence isn't real because it wasn't in the Wells report. Don't make me bust out the circular reasoning gif.
                  Sorry, but you fumble statistics guys have been pushing the stats = cheating, which you haven't REMOTELY proved.

                  Now, you can CLAIM that the fumble stats = cheating, but you can't prove it. Having an event with no apparent reasonable explanation doesn't mean a crime was committed any more than any other scenario.

                  Now, I have no doubt that the Pats do what they can to make the balls more grippable, but there is no evidence that what they do is outside the rules.

                  And now, since the Wells Report's science has been thoroughly debunked, and the Pats balls WEREN'T underinflated in the Colts game, and there is NO EVIDNCE that the Pat's balls were underinflated in other games, wnhat do the stats nerds have to say NOW about why the fumble stats read the way they do.

                  Because there ARE other reasons besides Tom Brady and 2 goofballs pulling a fast one on the law abiding other 31 teams, whether you want to admit it or not.
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                  • Spartacus
                    Registered User
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 54101

                    #24
                    Re: Deflationgate = Complete & Utter Overreaction

                    Originally posted by chris66 View Post
                    Dont put to much stock in the fumble stats. They fumble less on the road than at home. Unless the home team equipment guys are cheating for them as well.
                    If you google "grasping at straws", the first thing that comes up is a link to the Pats fumble stats...
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                    • trapezeus
                      Legendary Zoner
                      • Oct 2004
                      • 19525

                      #25
                      Re: Deflationgate = Complete & Utter Overreaction

                      Originally posted by chris66 View Post
                      Dont put to much stock in the fumble stats. They fumble less on the road than at home. Unless the home team equipment guys are cheating for them as well.
                      are you serious? the whole issue is that each team has their balls that they play with. if they have the balls deflated and have less fumbles overall, then the constant is that they have their own balls. there is no difference if they are on the road or at home. in aggregate the number is an outlier from the other 31 teams, meaning something other than the sheer luck is in play.

                      i'll wait for spartacus to pout somemore. but the only thing the newbie pat fans have to think about is regardless of the suspension they continue to dig a hole on their reputation and they will be caught and brought to light sooner than later. and it'll be pre-2000 where there are simply no pats fans around.

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                      • chris66
                        Registered User
                        • Sep 2006
                        • 604

                        #26
                        Re: Deflationgate = Complete & Utter Overreaction

                        Originally posted by trapezeus View Post
                        are you serious? the whole issue is that each team has their balls that they play with. if they have the balls deflated and have less fumbles overall, then the constant is that they have their own balls. there is no difference if they are on the road or at home. in aggregate the number is an outlier from the other 31 teams, meaning something other than the sheer luck is in play.

                        i'll wait for spartacus to pout somemore. but the only thing the newbie pat fans have to think about is regardless of the suspension they continue to dig a hole on their reputation and they will be caught and brought to light sooner than later. and it'll be pre-2000 where there are simply no pats fans around.
                        Yes they bring their own balls to away games and then hand them off to the home teams ref locker room attendant. If the balls are under its because the ref let it go.
                        Last edited by chris66; 09-08-2015, 06:05 AM.

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                        • ckg927
                          Not quite Best in the World....
                          • Aug 2012
                          • 21102

                          #27
                          Re: Deflationgate = Complete & Utter Overreaction

                          Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
                          If you google "grasping at straws", the first thing that comes up is a link to the Pats fumble stats...
                          BZZZZZZZT! Wrong answer. But thanks for playing.
                          John Hemingway(facing certain death): I want to see Buffalo win the Super Bowl.
                          David Coltrane(threatening John): Nobody's going to live that long, pal.


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                          • Spartacus
                            Registered User
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 54101

                            #28
                            Re: Deflationgate = Complete & Utter Overreaction

                            Originally posted by ckg927 View Post
                            BZZZZZZZT! Wrong answer. But thanks for playing.
                            You're wrong Carl. Your hate has led you down the wrong path. You are being used by bad people that aren't Tom Brady.

                            And worse than that, you used to be a decent fellow but lately you seem to be falling under the spell of the haters and ass holes.

                            The old Carl would never have said crap like this because he knew better. What happened? We always got along.

                            Why does it feel like you've turned on me?
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                            • feldspar
                              Registered User
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 13620

                              #29
                              Re: Deflationgate = Complete & Utter Overreaction

                              Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
                              Your hate has led you down the wrong path.

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                              • Mike
                                Registered User
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 3805

                                #30
                                Re: Deflationgate = Complete & Utter Overreaction

                                Originally posted by trapezeus View Post
                                the interesting thing is that the nfl has protected the pats with bizarre rule calls and oddly timed penalties throughout this 15y run. if the league just ensures that the pats have the same game day experience as the other 31 teams, then they are fairly harmless.
                                -when the team runs an illegal formation and converts a big momentum turning 3rd down, maybe they get flagged like the other 31 teams do.
                                - when a TE formation is illegal and the TE goes for a 41 yard TD, it's called back like it is for the other 31 teams.
                                - when a player slaps his own guys helmet after a 4th and 1 stop, it isn't converted to an automatic first down and 15 yards.
                                -when the qb clearly fumbles the ball, another fake rule isn't brought in to keep them in the game.
                                - when youre qb gets hit legally, you don't have to worry about a 15 yard phantom penalty
                                - when your qb mouths off incessantly, he gets an unsportsmanlike penalty.

                                it's all so simple, yet i know they'll still be the darling of the league. because that big boston fan base only shows up when the team is relevant.
                                If you believe that, why be a fan?
                                Please Make Sense

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