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    Re: STEM Programs

    STEM programs don't replace anything, it's simply an enhancement of a portion of the current overall curriculum. English, history, art, music aren't going anywhere. The sciences, tech, engineering and math are so intertwined in the real world, it only makes sense for basic education to adapt and attempt to provide a better base for those that may choose that path.
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    Re: STEM Programs

    Quote Originally Posted by Historian View Post
    Because this country really sucks in math and science.
    Says who?

    And if true, why is it assumed that extra speciali2ation in these areas to the detriment of others will fix it?

    If it is to ever rebound, we need manufacturing back, and engineering and mathematics are a big part of that.
    These are Democratic Party cliches. Manufacturing is going the way of the Dodo. More and more things are being made by fewer and fewer people. Eventually, it'll all be robots.

    By far and away, the biggest problem with your country is PEOPLE CAN'T THINK PROPERLY AND BECAUSE THEY'RE AMERICANS, THEY THINK THAT'S A-OK.

    Not "we need more physics and math Phds to work on future Toyota assembly lines."
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    Re: STEM Programs

    Quote Originally Posted by YardRat View Post
    The sciences, tech, engineering and math are so intertwined in the real world, it only makes sense for basic education to adapt and attempt to provide a better base for those that may choose that path.
    Sounds impressive but I can't figure out for the life of me what it means.

    A classical education doesn't demand that it's students be scientifically or mathematically illiterate.

    But it certainly sounds like STEM doesn't recogni2e the value of learning anything that doesn't benefit your working career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    Sounds impressive but I can't figure out for the life of me what it means.

    A classical education doesn't demand that it's students be scientifically or mathematically illiterate.

    But it certainly sounds like STEM doesn't recogni2e the value of learning anything that doesn't benefit your working career.
    You have a severe misperception that STEM is replacing other aspects of a basic education, and it isn't.

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    Re: STEM Programs

    Quote Originally Posted by YardRat View Post
    You have a severe misperception that STEM is replacing other aspects of a basic education, and it isn't.
    There are only so many hours in a day.

    How do you increasingly focus on math and science without losing focus someplace else?

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    Re: STEM Programs

    Quote Originally Posted by YardRat View Post
    STEM programs don't replace anything, it's simply an enhancement of a portion of the current overall curriculum. English, history, art, music aren't going anywhere. The sciences, tech, engineering and math are so intertwined in the real world, it only makes sense for basic education to adapt and attempt to provide a better base for those that may choose that path.
    were u a part of the Church of the Reasonable Middle coup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    There are only so many hours in a day.

    How do you increasingly focus on math and science without losing focus someplace else?
    Could you go into greater detail on your perception of 'increasing focus' on math and science? I believe that's where you are missing the point.

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    Re: STEM Programs

    In a practical in the classroom application what STEM currently is in my state is a series of programs that encourage teachers in the STEM disciplines (if your school has them) to collaborate when making curriculum decisions.

    If it works properly there is a chance it lessons the workload on kids and allows them to focus time on traditional liberal arts programs.

    If I'm teaching about surface area for absorption in the small intestine the math teachers can be teaching kids how to calculate surface area on an irregular object and the kids in the tech teachers class can be designing a practical computer model to determine what surface area changes do to efficiency of absorption and so on and so on.

    in the end the students will write a constructed response essay discussing their findings and defend their results or opinions which brings in a language arts aspect.

    Like I said all that is the goal, we are working to get there.

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    The best class I had in high school was grade 12 English. Mr Ormond wrote at least as many pages of notes as the work that was turned in. And it was rare for anyone to receive a passing grade on the first draft. But he allowed students to resubmit as many times as they wanted. Each time he had pages of discussion and improvements.

    I reworked my One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest assignment about a half dozen times. It was deeply meaningful for me, and the first time I really understood the role a book could play in forming personal character.

    I also completed a grade 13 Calculus dual credit course near the top of my class, earning a spot (and eventually winning a silver medal) in a national math contest (Waterloo U).

    Want to guess which class added more value to my life?

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    Re: STEM Programs

    Quote Originally Posted by YardRat View Post
    Could you go into greater detail on your perception of 'increasing focus' on math and science? I believe that's where you are missing the point.
    So, I have to write an essay for you to argue with? No thanks.

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    Re: STEM Programs

    Why is there no value in a STEM program?

    That is what I am missing at this point..
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    Re: STEM Programs

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmifli View Post
    Want to guess which class added more value to my life?
    The one you were more personally interested in?

    I don't get the objection to trying to make kids more interested in math and science. It's trying to change the "why am I learning this I'll never use it in real life" mindset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucidvizion View Post
    The one you were more personally interested in?

    I don't get the objection to trying to make kids more interested in math and science. It's trying to change the "why am I learning this I'll never use it in real life" mindset.
    There`s an easy explanation for why and it doesn`t involve pandering to ignorant children.

    It goes `Because it teaches you how to think properly, which is something you`ll benefit from for the rest of your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    So, I have to write an essay for you to argue with? No thanks.
    I'm not arguing anything, I just think it's obvious you have faulty perceptions about STEM. You apparently believe that the science and math departments can't be enhanced without a detrimental effect on other parts of the curriculum, which isn't the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucidvizion View Post
    The one you were more personally interested in?.
    My Dad's an engineer and statistician, math was a very big part of our relationship and a very big part of my identity as a high school student. I was deeply interested in math and especially creative problem solving. You don't get invited to write that contest without putting in a lot of "training". I went to a special tutor twice a week.

    There is a problem with puzzles. It feels great to solve a puzzle. But all puzzles have a solution. And if you can't find the solution it's easy to explain why. Life isn't a puzzle.

    The morality of Randle McMurphy... That takes more real thinking than a calculus puzzle.

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    I agree. It takes quite a bit of training to build bridges, design optical routers, and perform surgery.

    I try to keep up my liberal arts edumacation as I can even now. I have a Great Books club meeting tonight.
    And some idiot used his STEM training to invent the internet an message boards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    It goes `Because it teaches you how to think properly, which is something you`ll benefit from for the rest of your life.
    Exactly!! That is what STEM training does! And it reduces Republicanism, which is a great free bonus!

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    And it reduces Republicanism
    I doubt that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    Why is there no value in a STEM program?

    That is what I am missing at this point..
    Great question that seems to be ignored.

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