The thing about Tyrod.....

[Meathead]

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just thoroughly shocking how a career college 55% guy can suddenly become a 70% guy in his first season starting. when tf does that happen?

and for his size its amazing how he can fling the ball forty yards down field right on target with a flip of his arm. he was even flat footed when he tossed that perfect sideline strike to the white flash on sunday. i think he replaced his arm with a borg implant or something

way way waaaaay exceeding expectations. bout fkn time that happened to us at that position

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

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let me redirect you guys for a second. it's almost three f***ing weeks until Cincinnati.

[Mace]

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I'd even argue against Kemp. He was a leader, for sure, but he was not a very good passer. The Bills won those championships on the backs of the defense and a ball-control ground game. When Kemp dropped back to pass, it was nearly as likely to land in an opponent's arms as it was a Bills receiver's. In an 8-team league, the best QBR he had was 5th. In 1964, a championship year, his rating was 9th. Oakland had two QBs with better QBRs.

As for QB's, the franchise has Kelly and everyone else is a distant second, barely worth mentioning.

Yeah. I wanted to make an argument for Kemp and for Ferguson (who occasionally had his moments), but I can't really. There was Kelly, guys who had their occasional moments, and varying degrees of failure.

Oh, how I still remember how the year of aged Ferguson/Joe Dufek led into the year of Vince Ferragamo & Bruce Mathison. When Kelly stepped off that plane the next year and fired a perfect pass into Ed Kilgore's midsection, I think I swooned with a gasp and had to fan myself like a southern belle, my eyelids fluttering, hand to my chest.

[notacon]

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Until Rodgers played last night.

Actually....no. Tyron is still #1 for week three....and beat out Rodgers by quite a bit...95.3 to 78. Rodgers is #9 for the week.

This is very impressive. The Total QBR takes into consideration.....

The Total Quarterback Rating is a statistical measure that incorporates the contexts and details of those throws and what they mean for wins. It's built from the team level down to the quarterback, where we understand first what each play means to the team, then give credit to the quarterback for what happened on that play based on what he contributed.

Tyron is playing lights out. There is no denying that. Whether he keeps it up, game in and game out...season after season, is what a franchise QB is all about.

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

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who's Tyron? His name is Tyrod.

[Albany,n.y.]

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just thoroughly shocking how a career college 55% guy can suddenly become a 70% guy in his first season starting. when tf does that happen?

and for his size its amazing how he can fling the ball forty yards down field right on target with a flip of his arm. he was even flat footed when he tossed that perfect sideline strike to the white flash on sunday. i think he replaced his arm with a borg implant or something

way way waaaaay exceeding expectations. bout fkn time that happened to us at that position

That's one of the reasons it's so difficult to project college players to the pros. Most college players are surrounded by teammates who will never even get into an NFL camp. If the talent around you is bad, then you'll look bad no matter how good you are-or at least your stat page will.

Also, Taylor was drafted by one of the best organizations in the NFL. While I will always maintain that a team cannot ruin a good player, like many around here believe we did to some of our former busts like JP, a team can certainly take a raw talent and through good coaching help him to improve and reach his potential. We're reaping the benefits of Baltimore's work.

[feldspar]

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Here's another thing that occurred to me. So far, Tyrod has shown insane accuracy throwing the deep ball on a go route...right in the bread basket 50-yards in the air. When Goodwin comes back, it looks like we finally have a QB that can utilize his world-class speed. That guy can get behind anyone, or help stretch the field.

Taylor has a 135.4 passer rating for balls thrown over 31-yards in the air right now.

[Night Train]

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I like the fact he doesn't remind me of all our past failures since Kelly.

He actually looks good.

[BidsJr]

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Offense obviously flowed better with Tyrod over EJ. But every time he runs I want to reach through the screen and choke him.

If he can manage to stay healthy, I think we have something.

[justasportsfan]

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I'm glad he looked of Watkins and pulled the trigger.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

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Offense obviously flowed better with Tyrod over EJ. But every time he runs I want to reach through the screen and choke him.

If he can manage to stay healthy, I think we have something.

He has three major flaws that still need correcting IMO

1) He doesn't make enough successful throws to the intermediate parts of the field. That's the sweet spot that keeps the offenses moving. If he can learn to do this, then we might have found our guy.

2) He doesn't know when to throw the ball away. There are a few times every game where he's sitting there at least two beats too long and I'm yelling at the TV to throw the football away. Some of that are the deep routes that he loves to throw, but you can tell sometimes that he doesn't really know what he's seeing and not sure where to go next. Roll out, sail the ball OOB and try again. And on the other side, know when to tuck the ball and give up. That underhanded desperation heave while Suh was swinging him around was an absolute disaster waiting to happen. It was like as soon as Suh grabbed him, you could see Tyrod thinking "Oh crap, I'm gonna get sacked out of FG range" but that was not the solution.

3) He needs to learn how to slide. When he dove headfirst on a play where we were nurturing a 16 point lead with 3 minutes left I nearly had a panic attack.

[Topas]

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3) He needs to learn how to slide. When he dove headfirst on a play where we were nurturing a 16 point lead with 3 minutes left I nearly had a panic attack.

Well, that is good news. In the past our QBs were not good enough that it really made a difference if the starter or the backup played. At least, now we have a QB that is worth keeping healthy ...
And yes, I definitely agree about the sliding part. I cant understand how the Bills always seem to not even coach the most basic things. Do you think a Bellicheck QB would do this more than once?

[BidsJr]

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He has three major flaws that still need correcting IMO

1) He doesn't make enough successful throws to the intermediate parts of the field. That's the sweet spot that keeps the offenses moving. If he can learn to do this, then we might have found our guy.

2) He doesn't know when to throw the ball away. There are a few times every game where he's sitting there at least two beats too long and I'm yelling at the TV to throw the football away. Some of that are the deep routes that he loves to throw, but you can tell sometimes that he doesn't really know what he's seeing and not sure where to go next. Roll out, sail the ball OOB and try again. And on the other side, know when to tuck the ball and give up. That underhanded desperation heave while Suh was swinging him around was an absolute disaster waiting to happen. It was like as soon as Suh grabbed him, you could see Tyrod thinking "Oh crap, I'm gonna get sacked out of FG range" but that was not the solution.

3) He needs to learn how to slide. When he dove headfirst on a play where we were nurturing a 16 point lead with 3 minutes left I nearly had a panic attack.

Definately agree with 2 and 3. Not sure about #1. Might just be a matter of gameplan/injuries/haven't seen enough of Tyrod yet. What I will say is I haven't seen anything that tells me he can't make an accurate intermediate throw.

[starrymessenger]

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I like Tyrod a lot but until he learns to better work the pocket to buy time and go through his progressions, make pre and post snap reads, he will be limited and only take the Bills so far. Right now he doesn't work the pocket well and some of that is on him, not the O-line. He can make some great throws from the pocket when he has a lot of time (sort of like EJ actually) but he is still way too unstable there when under pressure. He can obviously run, and he can both escape a collapsing pocket (he is elusive) and he can throw with decent accuracy and zip on the move. That's good enuf to beat a lot of teams but when things get serious late in the year the good, well coached defences (you know like the Pats for example) will seal off the edges and force Tyrod to beat them from the pocket. If he can't execute from the pocket the Bills will likely not win.
If Tyrod can develop this ability (Drew Brees is a master of the art and is 2 inches shorter than Tyrod) there will not be much if anything in the way of holes in his game. Could be awhile before we see it though, assuming we ever do.

[Meathead]

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the one thing hes bad at? sliding

slide like the white guys ty