worst reffed game ive seen

[BLeonard]

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Grabbing a jersey is terribly tricky-tack.

They didn't show the replay after it happened at all, so I rewound it and played it several times. I saw nothing wrong. I've never heard of them the showing a play like that later in the game. I didn't see it. But I watched the play many, many times, and there is no way in hell graham grabbed Gronkowski's jersey, I telling you. It was a good play on. Graham's part.

Not gonna get into a back and forth about it, but later in the game, they did show a replay from another angle... The jersey grab was pretty blatant and I've seen much less called.

Again, this is coming from a guy that had a notepad in hand writing every controversial penalty all game.

-Bill

[PhinsFan66]

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These guys should have ONE job....to call NFL games, but unfortunately, most of them have other jobs ....Ed Hochuli was a lawyer, and is now a judge in Phoenix. Shouldn't these guys be full-time refs like in Major League Baseball? Half the time you hear guys like Mike Carey giving his ruling on tv during live games and it is the exact opposite of the ref's ruling.

You cannot even get a good explanation of what is "making a football move," on the Calvin Johnson Rule. And remember the Tom Brady Tuck Rule, which was NEVER called before Brady fumbled the ball in the snow against the Raiders in the AFC Championship. And people wonder if the NFL is fixed. Maybe it's not fixed, but some teams (New England) seem to never get the s*h*i*t end of the stick, like everyone else. Maybe I will just start watching Premiere League soccer where there are not too many rules, but there is a lot of flopping.

[BLeonard]

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When did they show it later in the game?

To be completely honest, I don't recall exactly, but pretty sure it was after the half...

NFLN is supposed to reair the game starting at 1AM (It's 1:10 now here)... I wasn't happy about seeing it, believe me, but being objective, again, I've seen much less called.

-Bill

[cookie G]

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Not gonna get into a back and forth about it, but later in the game, they did show a replay from another angle... The jersey grab was pretty blatant and I've seen much less called.

Again, this is coming from a guy that had a notepad in hand writing every controversial penalty all game.

-Bill

I saw it later in the game also. And I thought it was a phantom call at the time too.

But he had the jersey. If you're an OL or a DB in today's NFL, and the jersey is pulled, you're getting called. That's the way it is.

[feldspar]

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Not gonna get into a back and forth about it, but later in the game, they did show a replay from another angle... The jersey grab was pretty blatant and I've seen much less called.

Again, this is coming from a guy that had a notepad in hand writing every controversial penalty all game.

-Bill

What did you think about that roughing the kicker non-call at mid-field? It was at least running into the kicker to me. Last time I checked, you can't hit a kicker when he is in mid-air and cause him to land on his back.

That was at mid-field, wasn't it?

[BLeonard]

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What did you think about that roughing the kicker non-call at mid-field? It was at least running into the kicker to me. Last time I checked, you can't hit a kicker when he is in mid-air and cause him to land on his back.

That was at mid-field, wasn't it?

I recall it (albeit vaguely)... What I don't recall is a Patriot actually hitting him. I didn't have the game on DVR or anything with any benefit of rewinding, so I can't be sure...

I'm not saying the officiating was stellar... Far from it... What I'm saying is, I didn't see any major call(s) that directly affected the Bills' chances to win the game.

Like I said before, you can't fumble punts, you can't dick around under 2 mins down by a TD, you can't burn timeouts because you can't count to 11.

At the end of the day, the Bills held NE to 20 points in their home stadium, which I believe is their lowest point total of the season... Unfortunately, the Bills couldn't get to 21 points.

-Bill

[feldspar]

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The reason that the "inadvertent whistle" was called is because the ref was trying to keep Brady from getting hit. Period. I have watched football my whole life, and a whistle means the ball is dead. In New England, though, it apparently means you get a 20 yard catch plus another 15 yards b/c the other coach walked on the sidelines. Another game orchestrated for NE to win. Don't get me wrong; our offense sucked. But the calls were going against us yet again. How many obvious facemask flags could they pick up?

The thing about that inadvertent whistle is that there is no way Darby wouldn't have made that tackle. He was right there in prime position to make the tackle, but gave up on the play after he heard the whistle. No doubt about it. Then you have to hear the announcers go on and on about how the Patriots got done wrong...they got another 15 yards out of it including the penalty. It was like a 29-yard play altogether, more than half being the penalty.

The whole thing worked to the Patriots advantage, really.

But that whistle fiasco DID NOT stop a TD like how they tried to spin it. I watched the play several times. Darby didn't go for the tackle because of the whistle, again. Period. He more than likely makes the tackle on the spot without the whistle.

And the whistle was blown when the ball was still in the air, without a doubt. How is that still a live ball and called a catch according to the rules? I've NEVER seen anything like that before. The play is dead at at the whistle...that's the rule I thought. I've seen whistles blown too soon before legitimate fumbles happened, and they say "sorry, that was no fumble because we blew the whistle already."

Did they circumvent the rules in favor of the Pats in the name of some on-the-spot fairness this time? Seems like it.

I'll tell you, if you put a whistle in my hand for five years, I don't think there would ever be a time where I blew it accidentally. "Inadvertent whistle" is the PC way of saying "we ****ed up" in the most fundamental way. Could be they didn't want to see Brady get hit there, like you said.

[BLeonard]

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The thing about that inadvertent whistle is that there is no way Darby wouldn't have made that tackle. He was right there in prime position to make the tackle, but gave up on the play after he heard the whistle. No doubt about it. Then you have to hear the announcers go on and on about how the Patriots got done wrong...they got another 15 yards out of it including the penalty. It was like a 29-yard play altogether, more than half being the penalty.

But that whistle fiasco DID NOT stop a TD like how they tried to spin it. I watched the play several times. Darby didn't go for the tackle because of the whistle, again. Period. He more than likely makes the tackle on the spot without the whistle.

And the whistle was blown when the ball was still in the air, without a doubt. How is that still a live ball and called a catch according to the rules? I've NEVER seen anything like that before. The play is dead at at the whistle...that's the rule. I've seen whistles blown too soon before legitimate fumbles happened, and they say "sorry, that was no fumble because we blew the whistle already."

Did they circumvent the rules in favor of the Pats in the name of some on-the-spot fairness this time? Seems like it.

I'll tell you, if you put a whistle in my hand for five years, I don't think there would ever be a time where I blew it accidentally. "Inadvertent whistle" is the PC way of saying "we ****ed up" in the most fundamental way. Could be they didn't want to see Brady get hit there, like you said.

No disagreements at all on that one... In fact, the ESPN "Referee Analyst" (or whatever their "official in the booth" is called ) Gerry Austin said that if it's an inadvertent whistle, the play is dead and there can't be a penalty, yet, they flagged the Bills anyway.

In the end, though, the Pats missed the FG on that drive and it led to a Bills TD, so, while a terrible, horrible, ****ty call, in the end, it played no effect in the final result.

But, it's beyond time that the NFL get serious and start hiring full time, 365 day a year officials, instead of these geriatric part-timers that have been around forever.

-Bill

[jills]

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Funny, when we get calls going our way I don't see anyone here complaining. Double standard FTW!

[feldspar]

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No disagreements at all on that one... In fact, the ESPN "Referee Analyst" (or whatever their "official in the booth" is called ) Gerry Austin said that if it's an inadvertent whistle, the play is dead and there can't be a penalty, yet, they flagged the Bills anyway.

In the end, though, the Pats missed the FG on that drive and it led to a Bills TD, so, while a terrible, horrible, ****ty call, in the end, it played no effect in the final result.

But, it's beyond time that the NFL get serious and start hiring full time, 365 day a year officials, instead of these geriatric part-timers that have been around forever.

-Bill

I can't say whether or not it played a role in the out come just because the Patriots missed the filed goal, because nobody can tell what otherwise would have happened. Time off the clock...flipping field position, etc. this was only a one-score game.

But trust me on the roughing the kicker non-call...I DO have a DVR and watched it several times. I'd call it roughing the kicker when you fly into the kicker's leg when he's in the air and send him landing on his back. You'd have to be a blind ref not to see it. That was HUGE. Pissed me off royally.

But I'm with you...I've been screaming about full-time refs for as long as I can remember. I was screaming about a rookie salary cap until that happened too, albeit more quietly than about the refs. There is only so long the NFL can ignore the 500-pound gorilla in the room. The fans get too upset because this crap happens every week, and they aren't doing all they can to stop the horrible officiating moments.

[feldspar]

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Funny, when we get calls going our way I don't see anyone here complaining. Double standard FTW!

What calls that went against the Pats come to mind?

[chernobylwraiths]

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That "not on the line" call against Henderson hurt too because they made a first down on the play.

Nobody knows what can happen or how the outcome can change.

But I do feel better about not watching the rest of the game. There is no way I would have gotten to sleep by even 1 if I had to be subject to more crappy calls by the refs.

[sahlensguy]

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But the Phoenix / Cincinnati game was glorious to watch. Blame the refs but execution or lack thereof makes it almost unwatchable for me.

[CommissarSpartacus]

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I can't believe guys are complaining about the inadvertant whistle play.

If the refs had done that to the Bills, the call would have gone down in infamy as an example of the refs screwing the Bills in favor of the Pats.

[chernobylwraiths]

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I can't believe guys are complaining about the inadvertant whistle play.

If the refs had done that to the Bills, the call would have gone down in infamy as an example of the refs screwing the Bills in favor of the Pats.

So, Darby gives up on the play. He almost certainly would have been able to tackle him for minimal more gain. AND they added 15 yards on it as well. Let's rehash:

They screw up by blowing the whistle as the ball is in the air.
They give the Patriots the reception, even though it should have been a replay.
They give them 15 more yards even though nobody saw a flag thrown.

Hell, I would have been much more OK with JUST the flag.

Just stop.