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    CAN'T WIN IN THE NFL WITH THE GROUND AND POUND

    No way can any team let alone the Bills win with a ground and pound attack. the way the rules are now its clearly a passing league, the teams with the best and most accurate passers are winning, if your lucking and have a QB like cam its even better.

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    Re: CAN'T WIN IN THE NFL WITH THE GROUND AND POUND

    Well I disagree, I think you can...as long Step 1 does not equal completely ****ing up an already established dominant defense.
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    Re: CAN'T WIN IN THE NFL WITH THE GROUND AND POUND

    The Vikings are doing it

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    Re: CAN'T WIN IN THE NFL WITH THE GROUND AND POUND

    Quote Originally Posted by Novacane View Post
    The Vikings are doing it
    so far your right but there schedule is very weak and in time will lose out.

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    Re: CAN'T WIN IN THE NFL WITH THE GROUND AND POUND

    Seahawks did it, rode Lynch and a generational D to a championship. That said, Wilson played well for them, he wasn't asked to carry the O, just do enough.

    Its a passing league, and teams should pass, but every now and again someone will buck the trend. Bills were never setup to win with either style to be honest.

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    Re: CAN'T WIN IN THE NFL WITH THE GROUND AND POUND

    Quote Originally Posted by kingJofNYC View Post
    Seahawks did it, rode Lynch and a generational D to a championship. That said, Wilson played well for them, he wasn't asked to carry the O, just do enough.

    Its a passing league, and teams should pass, but every now and again someone will buck the trend. Bills were never setup to win with either style to be honest.
    wilson threw for 26 td's vs lynch's 1300 yards rushing. they passed more than they get credit for in 2013.

    actually lynch had 1250 and 12 td's that year.
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    Re: CAN'T WIN IN THE NFL WITH THE GROUND AND POUND

    Quote Originally Posted by mdcas22 View Post
    wilson threw for 26 td's vs lynch's 1300 yards rushing. they passed more than they get credit for in 2013.
    They were 26th in passing yardage in 2013, and 31st in attempts, so I'm not seeing exactly where they deserve more credit for throwing the ball.

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    Re: CAN'T WIN IN THE NFL WITH THE GROUND AND POUND

    Quote Originally Posted by YardRat View Post
    They were 26th in passing yardage in 2013, and 31st in attempts, so I'm not seeing exactly where they deserve more credit for throwing the ball.
    Not only that but they basically passed in third and 5 or less. Kept distance manageable for Wilson. Saw some crazy numbers a while ago with regards to their situational passing, if I find the link I'll post it.

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    Re: CAN'T WIN IN THE NFL WITH THE GROUND AND POUND

    Wilson was 16th in the league with 3300 yards so I don't no how they were 26th in the league.

    they were 26th in total yards that year.

    avg 26.9 att passing a game

    avg 31 att rushing a game
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    Re: CAN'T WIN IN THE NFL WITH THE GROUND AND POUND

    You can win with ground and pound, but it's a very difficult proposition. You can't beat yourself with penalties, you can't get into a deep hole with bad defense, and you can't turn the ball over. That requires a hell of a lot more discipline then you'll get from a Ryan team.

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    Re: CAN'T WIN IN THE NFL WITH THE GROUND AND POUND

    Quote Originally Posted by IlluminatusUIUC View Post
    You can win with ground and pound, but it's a very difficult proposition. You can't beat yourself with penalties, you can't get into a deep hole with bad defense, and you can't turn the ball over. That requires a hell of a lot more discipline then you'll get from a Ryan team.

    I think Rex thinks he is a great defensive mind when in fact he really isn't, he has had a couple of top 10 defense while in new York but never amounted to anything.

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    Re: CAN'T WIN IN THE NFL WITH THE GROUND AND POUND

    Quote Originally Posted by mdcas22 View Post
    I think Rex thinks he is a great defensive mind when in fact he really isn't, he has had a couple of top 10 defense while in new York but never amounted to anything.
    I've said it a couple times, Rex has never had an elite defense without a hall of famer in the secondary.


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    Re: CAN'T WIN IN THE NFL WITH THE GROUND AND POUND

    Quote Originally Posted by IlluminatusUIUC View Post
    I've said it a couple times, Rex has never had an elite defense without a hall of famer in the secondary.
    and they got lucky 1 year and made it to the afc championship. Rex will dismantle this defense and rebuild it in his image.

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    Re: CAN'T WIN IN THE NFL WITH THE GROUND AND POUND

    You can if you had a dominant D and a QB who can occasionally make defenses pay when they stack the Los.

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    Re: CAN'T WIN IN THE NFL WITH THE GROUND AND POUND

    Quote Originally Posted by justasportsfan View Post
    You can if you had a dominant D and a QB who can occasionally make defenses pay when they stack the Los.
    I want a QB that can thread the needle not wait for a wr to get 5 yards on his man before he throws it. although today TT did chuck it a couple of times to Sammy to make a play.

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    Re: CAN'T WIN IN THE NFL WITH THE GROUND AND POUND

    Ground and pound doesn't mean run the ball into the red zone then try trick plays to score or get 3 yards.
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    Re: CAN'T WIN IN THE NFL WITH THE GROUND AND POUND

    It is hypothetically possible to win that way, but practically speaking it really isn't a strategy you should attempt.

    If you have a good QB you'll always be competitive, but if you are relying on a RB and good defense your margin of error is razor thin. You have to play nearly flawless football to win that way, which with a team like Buffalo isn't possible. We take far too many penalties to overcome this issue.

    Get behind in a game due to a few mistakes or a bad call essentially spells doom for a team that doesn't have a franchise QB.

    How do you get a good QB? You try and try and try until you get lucky. It's a silly little league with only one real way to win and I wish it would go away.

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    Re: CAN'T WIN IN THE NFL WITH THE GROUND AND POUND

    The NFL is crap

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    Re: CAN'T WIN IN THE NFL WITH THE GROUND AND POUND

    Quote Originally Posted by coastal View Post
    The NFL is crap
    Goodell to go after his money model has run the on field product into the ground. It's a **** product riding on the coat tails of fantasy football. Not enough plays, commercial after commercial while we review replays, did he have possession of the ball. Was his foot in? Did he make a football move? Did the ball touch the ground? 6 minutes later..... Boring.
    Give me my game back, and put the time back in so there's more plays in the game, and less controversy. And let the DB's play defense. Pass interference should only be blatant, not so touchy. This isn't basketball but it sure looks like it.

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    Re: CAN'T WIN IN THE NFL WITH THE GROUND AND POUND

    Quote Originally Posted by mdcas22 View Post
    No way can any team let alone the Bills win with a ground and pound attack. the way the rules are now its clearly a passing league, the teams with the best and most accurate passers are winning, if your lucking and have a QB like cam its even better.
    Probably true. The thing is the NFL will be the reason for it's own demise. By making the QB not just the focal point, but it's raison d'etre, when a QB goes out the team is not going to win the ultimate prize and that's all people care about today. That has led the NFL to try and protect it's marquee QB's with legalized holding and chicken**** roughing the passer calls. Also, in it's eagerness to make the game more exciting, it's completely bastardized the game with it's rules changes. The NFL has tried to insulate itself by creating their own Network and making others pay if they are critical. Their propaganda arm if you will. When you have to hire former officials to explain overly complicated rules for the viewers to cover up the fact that games are engineered to add excitement, the game became artificial. All that's left is the billions of dollars, teams, networks, sponsors, gamblers, players and coaches make from the charade.

    They have seen their last dime from me, although the only thing I've spent money on is NFL ticket in the last 15 years because Buffalo is rarely on in my market.
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