The cap situation is concerning

[OpIv37]

It's hard to see how this team is going to maintain the current talent level, let alone improve, with all the FA's and lack of cap space.

I know, some of you will say that I used to complain about all the unused cap and now I'm complaining about not having cap space, but I've always maintained that the money has to be spent wisely. Spending money on offensive skill positions with a shaky OL is not wise. Spending big on the DL then hiring a coach who drops 300 lbers into pass coverage is not wise.

Pegula made the same mistakes he did with the Sabres: he believed the FO's nonsense that the team was almost there and went for broke.

Ok, enough ranting: how do we improve on this mediocre season? How do we get more consistent on O and reinvigorate the pass rush with so little cap space? Any thoughts?

[Mace]

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It's hard to see how this team is going to maintain the current talent level, let alone improve, with all the FA's and lack of cap space.

I know, some of you will say that I used to complain about all the unused cap and now I'm complaining about not having cap space, but I've always maintained that the money has to be spent wisely. Spending money on offensive skill positions with a shaky OL is not wise. Spending big on the DL then hiring a coach who drops 300 lbers into pass coverage is not wise.

Pegula made the same mistakes he did with the Sabres: he believed the FO's nonsense that the team was almost there and went for broke.

Ok, enough ranting: how do we improve on this mediocre season? How do we get more consistent on O and reinvigorate the pass rush with so little cap space? Any thoughts?

Well, it's going to come down to how much cap space they chop (Mario, Kyle maybe, McKelvin) and what they can do with the draft. Those alone are a lot of money that don't fit for better or worse, like near 22 million you can use to resign Glenn and Incognito, say. If the scouting is good and the draft picks are wise, debatable, we can get a few pieces back, younger and cheaper, fitting better (figure maybe a safety, a DL and an OL). It's still going to depend a lot on brittle players being durable and if they can find Ryan players for LB in later rounds, or Roman type OL depth in later rounds.

It's going to come down to ruthless capwork and precise draft and I don't see it happening successfully.

[X-Era]

Re: The cap situation is concerning

It's hard to see how this team is going to maintain the current talent level, let alone improve, with all the FA's and lack of cap space.

I know, some of you will say that I used to complain about all the unused cap and now I'm complaining about not having cap space, but I've always maintained that the money has to be spent wisely. Spending money on offensive skill positions with a shaky OL is not wise. Spending big on the DL then hiring a coach who drops 300 lbers into pass coverage is not wise.

Pegula made the same mistakes he did with the Sabres: he believed the FO's nonsense that the team was almost there and went for broke.

Ok, enough ranting: how do we improve on this mediocre season? How do we get more consistent on O and reinvigorate the pass rush with so little cap space? Any thoughts?

I had a whole thread on this the other day.

I'd release Mario, McKelvin, Urbik, and Carpenter. I'd re-sign Glenn and Incognito. I'd then draft a DE/DT (or both), OLB, K, WR, possibly a RT and S.

You'd hope the DE/DT steps in and starts day one as Marios replacement. Mario's numbers were low so getting the same level of production should be fairly simple... The OLB should also start and replace Bradham. I'd like a significant upgrade to Bradham as a play making OLB and that I also think is possible. Those would be my two must haves from this draft. The WR would hopefully be a possession type player. The kicker needs to replace Carpenter who was horrible. The RT will compete for the starting job.

[BillsImpossible]

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I agree with everything except letting go of McKelvin.

He said he would take a pay cut, and the Bills need a safety.

[Mr. Cynical]

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I agree with everything except letting go of McKelvin.

He said he would take a pay cut, and the Bills need a safety.

McFumbles needs to go. Or McToast, take your pick. He makes 1 good play for every 5 crappy ones, and that's not what you need to win.

[Mace]

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I had a whole thread on this the other day.

I'd release Mario, McKelvin, Urbik, and Carpenter. I'd re-sign Glenn and Incognito. I'd then draft a DE/DT (or both), OLB, K, WR, possibly a RT and S.

You'd hope the DE/DT steps in and starts day one as Marios replacement. Mario's numbers were low so getting the same level of production should be fairly simple... The OLB should also start and replace Bradham. I'd like a significant upgrade to Bradham as a play making OLB and that I also think is possible. Those would be my two must haves from this draft. The WR would hopefully be a possession type player. The kicker needs to replace Carpenter who was horrible. The RT will compete for the starting job.

It's just distressing when you realize we can't do this right, again. If you have 7 holes you fill 2, and maybe next year, again for 2 more to maybe develop, and 3 just didn't work out...but you get some dazzling plays out of whoever you paid too much for, and if the souandso's didn't get hurt, and and....

[BillsImpossible]

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McFumbles needs to go. Or McToast, take your pick. He makes 1 good play for every 5 crappy ones, and that's not what you need to win.

I would never let him attempt to catch another punt or kickoff again. Don't let his special teams play get in the way of his performance in the Bills secondary.

Did McKelvin play well at safety this year, or did he not?

McKelvin has played cornerback and safety this year, and did a good job at both overall.

He publicly stated that he would be willing to take a pay cut this year.

Leodis wants to finish his career as a Buffalo Bill. Moving him to safety worked out better than I thought it would.

Donnie Henderson did a great job this year, btw. He gets no love!

[YardRat]

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lol...too funny.

[Guest]

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Next year we play the much tougher NFC West and AFC North (both divisions have 2 play-off teams each this year) rather than the much easier NFC East and AFC South (both division winners are 9-7) that we played this year.

Given the above and the Bills salary cap situation plus draft position, it is virtually impossible for the Bills to improve their record next year.

Sorry to be a party pooper.

[X-Era]

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It's just distressing when you realize we can't do this right, again. If you have 7 holes you fill 2, and maybe next year, again for 2 more to maybe develop, and 3 just didn't work out...but you get some dazzling plays out of whoever you paid too much for, and if the souandso's didn't get hurt, and and....

I don't see 7 holes, I see 3. Mario, Bradham, and Carpenter is all are let go. All other positions have a starter returning.

We may want to upgrade other spots but I don't look at them as holes.

As I said in my other thread, we're finally back to having to make tough choices. Teams up against the cap do that. I'm alright with it.

[Night Train]

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They can also save a bunch of cap space by restructuring Clay and converting his roster bonus to a signing bonus, pro-rating it over the life of the deal. And if they sign Gilmore long term, his cap hit for this year would drop significantly from it's current value. Those 2 moves could buy us an additional $15 mil in cap space. Not to mention any rollover space we have from this year.

[GreedoII]

Re: The cap situation is concerning

It's hard to see how this team is going to maintain the current talent level, let alone improve, with all the FA's and lack of cap space.

I know, some of you will say that I used to complain about all the unused cap and now I'm complaining about not having cap space, but I've always maintained that the money has to be spent wisely. Spending money on offensive skill positions with a shaky OL is not wise. Spending big on the DL then hiring a coach who drops 300 lbers into pass coverage is not wise.



Pegula made the same mistakes he did with the Sabres: he believed the FO's nonsense that the team was almost there and went for broke.

Ok, enough ranting: how do we improve on this mediocre season? How do we get more consistent on O and reinvigorate the pass rush with so little cap space? Any thoughts?

no such thing as terrible Cap situations....restructure....release deadweight...cap goes up again this year...so stop worrying about the cap. Who even cares....not your money...

[DraftBoy]

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I think the current cap number you see and what the cap number will be in 30-60 days is completely different.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

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Too early to tell right now but one thing about continuity in the FO is to allow the Whaley and Rex to assess and set priorities (the must and nice-to-have lists). Every team does that every year but new coaching staff usually lacks far behind in accuracy in the assessment phase.

First will be the coach staff. I don't expect much changes. Maybe a few position coaches like D Line, Outside LB area. I don't see Thurman to go but Pettine is the wild card here. Lets face it, It is Rex who designs and sometimes calls the defensive plays - the main reason Schwartz left because he did not want to lose that power; I see Pettine more of an innovator than Thurman at this point and and probably Pettine handles people better as well.

Next it is to decide what must haves. I see O-Line and OLB being the top priority this year, so I see them doing something there. Its obvious that last year they decided QB, TE, and RB were top priorities so they attacked those area.

I myself see Mario being gone for sure. In the current scheme, it's a luxury they can't carry. I actually see them drafting a NT/DT very high which is not a top priority but if done right, can be much more effective.

[YardRat]

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Funny, I don't perceive Pettine as being an innovator as much as a disciple that runs the same scheme, just dummied-down a little bit.