Cam Newton & Luke Keachly

[Mike]

2 Superstars that helped lead the Panthers to 15-1 and a SB 50

Bills wanted both players badly. Even tried trading up for both!

2 Games Separated the Bills from
the Panthers in 2011 (Cam Draft) & 2012 Draft (Luke draft).

> 2 Games and a tiebreaker these these superstars would be wearing a Bills uniform.<

Instead the Bills got the privlage of winning short term & 2 meaningless games while the Panthers won long term and lost a few extra meaningless games.

Who would you rather be?

[Joe Fo Sho]

If these 2 players is all it takes to get to the Super Bowl, then clearly we did not try hard enough to trade up.

[Oaf]

I thought about this too. If Tebow would've beat us in '11, we would've had Kueckly. In 2010, Fitz won 3 games by 3 or less points.

In the '10 Fins win, Dan Carpenter went ZERO for FOUR.

[Oaf]

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201011...23c3&tab=recap Pretty funny mik'd clip.

[feldspar]

**** all that.

If you want to regret something, regret how we could have easily had Aaron Rodgers.

[Mouldsie]

Don't forget they also did this to us in 2002 with Julius Peppers.

But those worthless late season victories helped us build a "culture of winning."

[pmoon6]

"Woulda, shoulda, coulda". Only losers want to lose in order to draft a prospect and only losers cry about scenarios in hindsight.

Of course, "Loser" describes the portion of the Bills' Fanbase that posts here.

[BertSquirtgum]

Why even bother looking back and thinking about this crap? It didn't happen, **** it. It is what it is.

[Albany,n.y.]

When the Bills started 0-8, I thought we could get Newton. Then the team won 4 totally meaningless games and the fans felt so good because after every one of those 4 wins they celebrated wildly and went to work happy on Monday. Those 4 wins were fantastic and if you ask the fans who loved every moment of those 4 wins they'd tell you they wouldn't trade a single one for the opportunity to be in the Super Bowl 5 years later because the feeling after each win was so darn good.

[coastal]

Who did we get instead of Gronk?

[MillsapsBillsFan]

Who did we get instead of Gronk?

Torell Troup. Now that's one you can really look back and be mad about, not this "well if we would have lost more games we could have had _______" crap

[coastal]

Torell Troup. Now that's one you can really look back and be mad about, not this "well if we would have lost more games we could have had _______" crap

Wasn't that John McCArgo's cousin?

[Mr. Pink]

I haven't liked plenty of their picks over the years, none of them really stand out to me as moments at that time where I thought they should have picked player x instead of player y, outside of the trade up for McCargo which I, and others, thought instantly was done to grab Mangold. Boy were we surprised and we would have been set at Center still if we made the right move.

There are guys like Korey Lichtensteiger and Mason Crosby who I thought the Bills should have picked up in mid to late rounds but that's all crapshoot anyway.

In the worthless wins category, a late season victory against the Jets cost the team Ben Roethlisberger. Ben was actually a guy the Donahoe led Bills were high on and was in a year where we taking the heir apparent to Bledsoe, as evidenced by the trade up to get Losman.

[coastal]

Losman... lol.

[Mike]

Why even bother looking back and thinking about this crap? It didn't happen, **** it. It is what it is.

I only bring this up becuase, in just about every season of past 15 years, Bills find a way to Win those meaningless games and the Fans root for those meaningless wins sighting things like 'winning culture'

I bring this up because chances are the Bills will be in this same position next season or season after and like clockwork we will miss out on the next Cam, or Luke or Big Ben.

I bring this up so you see that it does make a difference. A win or 2 has NOT improved the Culture and turned this team into a Winner but it has Cost us opportunity to get great players.

[Mike]

When the Bills started 0-8, I thought we could get Newton. Then the team won 4 totally meaningless games and the fans felt so good because after every one of those 4 wins they celebrated wildly and went to work happy on Monday. Those 4 wins were fantastic and if you ask the fans who loved every moment of those 4 wins they'd tell you they wouldn't trade a single one for the opportunity to be in the Super Bowl 5 years later because the feeling after each win was so darn good.

most Bills fans are short sighted
and so unwilling to give up a meaningless win
I call it pride

i always thought the goal was to win the SB not some meaningless game that's the equivalence of a preseason contest

[Historian]

I'm glad I got to see them both when they played here in 2013

[Bill Cody]

This post makes it sound like everyone this site would have been thrilled if we picked Cam. The fact is very very few on this site wanted him and quite a few were very strong that he would be a bust. I was straddling the fence a bit, said I was in if the scouts were, that his measurables were off the charts, just wanted to be sure he had the head for the game. He was pretty raw early but has just continued to progress and now he's the league MVP. At the time it was not at all clear Carolina was going to take him which was why there was a ton of conversation about what to do if he fell to 4.

[Joe Fo Sho]

most Bills fans are short sighted
and so unwilling to give up a meaningless win
I call it pride

i always thought the goal was to win the SB not some meaningless game that's the equivalence of a preseason contest

How does this affect the outcome of the meaningless game? If I root for the Bills to win, are the players going to try harder?

[Goobylal]

Newton was the first overall and the Bills had no chance at him by trading up. Kuechly they just missed out on but got Gilmore instead.