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    Is Cam Newton Overrated?

    Superman, or super par for the course with a lot of media hype and flash?

    2015 QB Stats

    Cam Newton - 3,837 yards passing, 59.8% completion percentage, 35 TD's, 10 Int's.
    http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/...994/cam-newton

    After 5 years, Newton's career completion percentage is less than 60%

    Compare those numbers to the following quarterbacks:

    Andy Dalton - (13 games played) 3,250 yards passing, 66.1% completion percentage, 25 TD's, 7 Int's.
    http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/...12/andy-dalton

    Dalton's career completion percentage is 62.3%.

    Kirk Cousins - 4,166 yards passing, 69.8% completion percentage, 29 TD's, 11 Int's.
    http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/...0/kirk-cousins

    Cousins' career completion percentage is 65.2%

    Is Kurt Cousins a better quarterback than Cam Newton? He plays in a much tougher division compared to the NFC South.

    How about Fitz?

    Ryan Fitzpatrick - 3,905 yards passing, 59.6% completion percentage, 31 TD's, 15 Int's.
    http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/...an-fitzpatrick

    Fitz has a career completion percentage of 60.1%

    How about Ryan Tannehill?

    Ryan Tannehill - 4,208 yards passing, 61.9% completion percentage, 24 TD's, 12 Int's.
    http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/...ryan-tannehill

    Tannehill's career completion percentage is 61.9% and he plays in the toughest division in the NFL.

    What about Tyrod?

    Tyrod Taylor - (14 games) 3,035 yards passing, 63.7% completion percentage, 20 TD's, 6 Int's in his first year as a starting QB.
    http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/...3/tyrod-taylor

    Blake Bortles - 4,428 yards passing, 58.6% completion percentage, 35 TD's, 18 Int's in his second year.
    http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/.../blake-bortles

    Jameis Winston - 4,042 yards passing, 58.3% completion percentage, 22 TD's, 15 Int's in his rookie year.
    http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/...jameis-winston

    Tony Romo - (2014 season) 3,705 yards passing, 69.9% completion percentage, 34 TD's, 9 Int's.
    http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/5209/tony-romo

    Romo's career completion percentage is 65.3%

    The hype and flash surrounding Cam Newton makes it look and feel like he's ahead of the NFL quarterback curve.

    I think he's behind it.
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    Re: Is Cam Newton Overrated?

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    Re: Is Cam Newton Overrated?

    More proof that the more you examine QB stats, you understand how meaningless most of them are. The position is too complex to compare statistically.
    If stats were so important they'd just hand out stat sheets & save a lot of time & money by not looking at films. However, the reason they look at film & watch players live is because watching a player has been and will always be the best way to evaluate his performance.

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    Re: Is Cam Newton Overrated?

    He would have been on the bills if Luck didnt decide to stay in college.

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    Re: Is Cam Newton Overrated?

    Watching him do his thing, he really doesn't look overrated to me. He was a man against pop warner kids in the Arizona game.

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    Re: Is Cam Newton Overrated?

    Um, his heisman trophy, national championship, and soon to be mvp and super bowl champion would probably disagree with you bills imp
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    Re: Is Cam Newton Overrated?

    I was one of those that thought he was extremely over-rated coming out of college, I admit it. Now? Not so much...
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    Re: Is Cam Newton Overrated?

    If you want to look at his stats, don't forget to include the 10 rushing TDs that he had as well. The guy had 45 TDs this year with only 14 turnovers if you include fumbles. He also ran for over 600 yards.

    I'm not really a big fan of his, but I won't argue that he's not the MVP of the league this year even with that schedule and the benefit of that defense. The Panthers only lost one game this year, and that's the most important stat.

    But I think I'd take the Broncos +6 in the Super Bowl. That spread doesn't make too much sense to me, so in that sense I think the Panthers are over-hyped, especially since a great majority are betting on them and giving up those points. Mistake, ask me. Vegas May clean up.

    Cam newton has been playing WAY better than I though he ever could in the NFL. He does seem a little too happy with himself, though. Maybe he forgets everything won't always go his way...maybe, I have no idea. I think the Broncos take him down a notch and win outright. Might think about taking the Broncos on the money-line...
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    Re: Is Cam Newton Overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by feldspar View Post
    If you want to look at his stats, don't forget to include the 10 rushing TDs that he had as well. The guy had 45 TDs this year with only 14 turnovers if you include fumbles. He also ran for over 600 yards.

    I'm not really a big fan of his, but I won't argue that he's not the MVP of the league this year even with that schedule and the benefit of that defense. The Panthers only lost one game this year, and that's the most important stat.

    But I think I'd take the Broncos +6 in the Super Bowl. That spread doesn't make too much sense to me, so in that sense I think the Panthers are over-hyped, especially since a great majority are betting on them and giving up those points. Mistake, ask me. Vegas May clean up.

    Cam newton has been playing WAY better than I though he ever could in the NFL. He does seem a little too happy with himself, though. Maybe he forgets everything won't always go his way...maybe, I have no idea. I think the Broncos take him down a notch and win outright. Might think about taking the Broncos on the money-line...
    I have no vested interest in the game, but the Panthers sure do look pretty powerful to me in all phases of the game.

    I used to think the same thing as you said about Newton, but you know, I've come to think he really is just having the time of his life and has developed the will to not accept things aren't going his way. And that...is a huge serious step imho toward elite.

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    Re: Is Cam Newton Overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    I have no vested interest in the game, but the Panthers sure do look pretty powerful to me in all phases of the game.

    I used to think the same thing as you said about Newton, but you know, I've come to think he really is just having the time of his life and has developed the will to not accept things aren't going his way. And that...is a huge serious step imho toward elite.
    Maybe.

    But you can't tell how he would react when things aren't going his way when everything is going his way. Things go wrong for everybody at some point. To me, he seemed to be a little too down in years past when things didn't go his way...just like he seems to be a little too up when things DO go his way.

    Just a thought.

    I'd prefer it if he was a little more seemingly even-keeled if he were the QB for my team. I don't know how that will add up over time if he's a little bi-polar...don't know if he is or not, like I said. Kinda seems like there is a real aspect to that at this point, if only in my imagination. Not that that I have a problem with him having a good time...I'm sure that part of it can lead to more positive success. I have no formula for theses things. Never seen a QB go about it way he does yet, for that matter. Just have visions of Kaepernick kissing his own biceps repeatedly, maybe.

    the guy is not really Superman.
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    Re: Is Cam Newton Overrated?

    We're sure going to see against the Denver defense in any case.

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    Re: Is Cam Newton Overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by YardRat View Post
    I was one of those that thought he was extremely over-rated coming out of college, I admit it. Now? Not so much...
    His run skills (and threat of that) and decent enough passing gets his team in favorable field positions. Can't ask for more than that.
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    Re: Is Cam Newton Overrated?

    When is the MVP of the NFL ever overrated ?

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    Re: Is Cam Newton Overrated?

    The thing that stands out about Cam is the touchdowns. Between his passing and running he accounted for 45 touchdowns during the regular season. The fact that he has the size to withstand the punishment a running QB endures it what sets him apart from other mobile QB options. Still, hard to imagine him playing as long as Payton Manning or Brady unless he further refines his passing skills.

    That being said, 2015 was by far his best season so he will need to a few more seasons at that level to solidify himself as that level of player.

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    Re: Is Cam Newton Overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    I used to think the same thing as you said about Newton, but you know, I've come to think he really is just having the time of his life and has developed the will to not accept things aren't going his way. And that...is a huge serious step imho toward elite.
    Agreed. And right now, he does not have the most talented group of receivers in the world

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    Re: Is Cam Newton Overrated?

    Hey BillsImpossible-

    Answer your own question like this: How likely is it that the Panthers be headed for 18-1 with those other QB's under center?

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    Re: Is Cam Newton Overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by YardRat View Post
    I was one of those that thought he was extremely over-rated coming out of college, I admit it. Now? Not so much...
    Same here.

    Before this season I would've said yes to the question

    But this year he took his game to a new level and dominated. The answer is now a rock solid No, he's not overrated at all.

    I'm not fan of his antics on the field but the man can play and beat anybody out there. Unreal athlete.

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    Re: Is Cam Newton Overrated?

    He's a physical phenomenon along the lines of a Herschel Walker or a Bo Jackson.

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    Re: Is Cam Newton Overrated?

    He's today's generation version of Randall Cunningham.

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