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    Re: Lawson, Ragland, Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by YardRat View Post
    Bingo.

    Lawson, Dareus, Washington and Hughes on the front. P.Brown with Ragland in the middle, still need a LBer to replace Bradham. Set with three corners, at least (Darby, Gilmore, Robey in the slot) maybe four (I still like Butler). Get a safety and the right coordinator and BAM! top 5 again, that quickly.
    Quote Originally Posted by mysticsoto View Post
    What about Z. Brown?
    Or Manny Lawson? He was the only LB from last year that was playing hard. Now, it's like he's not even on the team anymore.

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    Re: Lawson, Ragland, Washington

    I still can't believe that not one single pick was spent on the O line.

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    Re: Lawson, Ragland, Washington

    Not too sure Washington is such great shakes. Has a rep as a developmental guy who "plays in spurts".

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    Re: Lawson, Ragland, Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    Not too sure Washington is such great shakes. Has a rep as a developmental guy who "plays in spurts".
    Washington is pretty much the replacement of Kyle in a year. Just have to see how he develops. Remember Kyle was a 5th pick with not much expectation on him when he came to the Bills.

    I still see them next year drafting a NT type of player. Right now this team has pass rushers from outside and very strong pass rushers from inside (Marcel, Kyle, Washington). Personally I believe the Ragland pick steered their DLine direction to the inside pass rushing specialist Washington. Ragland is big and has a nose for tackling ball carriers. But we are going to find out if he can still shed NFL guards/TEs like he does in regular basis in college (and he played behind a stout college run defending D line in Alabama).

    One thing that I'm more excited about Ragland is his leadership (many termed Ray Lewis like). Think about it, who is the leader in Bills defense? Someone who urges on others in critical moments? A top defense always has that kind of guy(s). You may say Kyle who unfortunately is in his last legs of his career and has been injured far too often to be on the field. We just don't have that kind of a fiery guy since Takeo left town.

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    Re: Lawson, Ragland, Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by ghz in pittsburgh View Post
    Washington is pretty much the replacement of Kyle in a year.
    I just don't see that. Kyle has always had rep for nonstop motor playing beyond his skills and Adolphus "plays in spurts". Adolphus is not a nonstop motor guy. If he's the replacement for Kyle we're in trouble. Adolphus is going to have trouble replacing Corbin Bryant.

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    Re: Lawson, Ragland, Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by mysticsoto View Post
    What about Z. Brown?
    He could probably be the weakside guy for a season or two.
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    Re: Lawson, Ragland, Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by sudzy View Post
    Or Manny Lawson? He was the only LB from last year that was playing hard. Now, it's like he's not even on the team anymore.
    Manny is a much better fit in a 34. His best play in Buffalo was under Wrecks last season, and Pettine in 2013 when he started over Hughes.

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    Re: Lawson, Ragland, Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by Night Train View Post
    Baltimore was ready to pick him, according to reports. Picking a 1st round value player for a couple 4th rounders ( especially when we already had an extra one ) is peanuts for a starting MLB with talent.
    agreed. He just needs to be the qb of the d. They trade up so often and reach, it was nice that they did the smart thing. Time will tell if it works out. I think it should

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    Re: Lawson, Ragland, Washington

    After Friday was done, I viewed Saturday as a bonus. These 3 were all strong picks who can play right away. Very happy.

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    Re: Lawson, Ragland, Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    I just don't see that. Kyle has always had rep for nonstop motor playing beyond his skills and Adolphus "plays in spurts". Adolphus is not a nonstop motor guy. If he's the replacement for Kyle we're in trouble. Adolphus is going to have trouble replacing Corbin Bryant.
    And yet Whaley sees him as a starter. You need to call him and set him straight.


    Convinced that if we drafted the Alabama ball boy, you and Yard would say it's the best pick in the draft. Your bias is becoming a little too obvious. LOL.

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    Re: Lawson, Ragland, Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by Night Train View Post
    Convinced that if we drafted the Alabama ball boy, you and Yard would say it's the best pick in the draft. Your bias is becoming a little too obvious. LOL.
    To be fair, I watched every Bama game last season and the ballboy has a really high motor and quick twitch.

    To be serious where have I been critical about the pick?

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    Re: Lawson, Ragland, Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    I just don't see that. Kyle has always had rep for nonstop motor playing beyond his skills and Adolphus "plays in spurts". Adolphus is not a nonstop motor guy. If he's the replacement for Kyle we're in trouble. Adolphus is going to have trouble replacing Corbin Bryant.
    Come on Mace, if you believe replacement is meant talent for talent, every GM in this world is a failure to replace an established player, let alone pro-ball HOF players.

    Of course replacements in sports meant position wise.

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    Re: Lawson, Ragland, Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by DynaPaul View Post
    I still can't believe that not one single pick was spent on the O line.
    this times 1000
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    Re: Lawson, Ragland, Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by Night Train View Post
    And yet Whaley sees him as a starter. You need to call him and set him straight.


    Convinced that if we drafted the Alabama ball boy, you and Yard would say it's the best pick in the draft. Your bias is becoming a little too obvious. LOL.
    I've been right more than enough through drafts where it doesn't bother me if people laugh and think I'm wrong. I am from time to time. I'm happy if I am because it means something good for the team.

    Will tell you this though, I'll laugh right in your figurative face if I'm not. I have a pretty good memory for such. You're more than welcome to laugh in mine after it plays out, I won't be shy in admitting what I thought when he was drafted in threads about him, and I'll be calling you Adolphus if he doesn't.

    I doubt you agree with everything Whaley "sees", in fact I know you don't. So maybe you should give him a call to set him straight too, you think ?

    There weren't any Bama guys there. Who was ? Andrew Billings, high motor guy. Said I thought he should have been the guy. So how you figure that's an obvious Bama bias ? It's not. It's better-player bias, in my opinion, opinions sort of being the point here, atm, yes ?

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    Re: Lawson, Ragland, Washington

    Ragland has a 32" reach. RUFKM?

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    Re: Lawson, Ragland, Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by sahlensguy View Post
    Ragland has a 32" reach. RUFKM?
    What's your point?
    Ht Wt Arm length Hand size 40-yd dash 10-yd split 20-yd split 20-ss 3-cone Vert Broad BP
    6 ft 1 14 in 247 lb 32 in 9 78 in 4.72 s 1.65 s 2.75 s 4.28 s 31 12 in 9 ft 8 in
    All values from NFL Combine,[10][11]


    But Darron Lee is clearly a better athlete.
    Ht Wt Arm length Hand size 40-yd dash 10-yd split 20-yd split 20-ss 3-cone Vert Broad BP
    6 ft 1 in 232 lb 33 14 in 9 34 in 4.47 s 1.54 s 2.60 s 4.20 s 7.12 s 35.5 in 11 ft 1 in 17 reps
    All values from NFL Combine[16]


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    Re: Lawson, Ragland, Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by cookie G View Post
    How many of these drafts do we need to get the D back to where it was before he got here?

    What have the Buffalo Bills accomlished before Rex became HC?

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    Re: Lawson, Ragland, Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by ghz in pittsburgh View Post
    What's your point?
    Ht Wt Arm length Hand size 40-yd dash 10-yd split 20-yd split 20-ss 3-cone Vert Broad BP
    6 ft 1 14 in 247 lb 32 in 9 78 in 4.72 s 1.65 s 2.75 s 4.28 s 31 12 in 9 ft 8 in
    All values from NFL Combine,[10][11]


    But Darron Lee is clearly a better athlete.
    Ht Wt Arm length Hand size 40-yd dash 10-yd split 20-yd split 20-ss 3-cone Vert Broad BP
    6 ft 1 in 232 lb 33 14 in 9 34 in 4.47 s 1.54 s 2.60 s 4.20 s 7.12 s 35.5 in 11 ft 1 in 17 reps
    All values from NFL Combine[16]

    Ragland has alligator arms and is only slightly faster.

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    Re: Lawson, Ragland, Washington

    BTW, who was that over the hill lb from 6 or 7 years ago that could run down that Jets qb? He was roasted for months.

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    Re: Lawson, Ragland, Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by ghz in pittsburgh View Post
    Come on Mace, if you believe replacement is meant talent for talent, every GM in this world is a failure to replace an established player, let alone pro-ball HOF players.

    Of course replacements in sports meant position wise.
    Well, my thought was replacement for high motor overachiever meant getting another high motor overachiever, and that's the sense I got to the post I replied to.

    I'm not going to gripe about it anymore, it is what it is and I'll hope for the best like most everyone else. I can't take back my opinion and won't because I still believe it. I'll be fine with looking stupid down the road if I'm wrong. And believe me, I want to be wrong.

    I'm as tired of the flailing around as anyone, I'm tired of being overly optimistic about QB's and overly pessimistic about other positions. I'm tired of speculating. I want another damn winning team with upside. If players I'm not fond of add to it, I'm all in on them, but if they aren't, I can't pretend enthusiasm anymore after all these years for what I've been seeing for too many of them. I look forward to people laughing at me if I'm wrong. I won't feel really good about it if I'm not. And mostly I never do point out who I debated with about anything anyway. It's all about what you believe when you believe it and that's what the boards are for in saying so.
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