The 2013 Draft-after three full seasons

[YardRat]

1-EJ Manuel
2-Robert Woods
2-Kiko Alonso
3-Marquis Goodwin
4-Duke Williams
5-Jonathon Meeks
6-Dustin Hopkins
7-Chris Gragg

Can't really grade a draft for three years, right?

So what is your grade now?

[DraftBoy]

D

Only thing that saved it from being a F was that you did technically get one starter out of it in Robert Woods.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

From Bills perspective, Kiko netted them McCoy, who should be considered a full time starter.

[Yasgur's Farm]

From Bills perspective, Kiko netted them McCoy, who should be considered a full time starter.

yup

[YardRat]

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/sho...ith-This-Draft

[Oaf]

B-

Woods, McCoy then a bunch of trash. Glad we traded down from 8 to 16 to get Woods.

[YardRat]

From Bills perspective, Kiko netted them McCoy, who should be considered a full time starter.

So Kelvin Sheppard should be considered a good draft pick because they traded him for Hughes?

[Mace]

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/sho...ith-This-Draft

Feel the same about it. Manuel turned out no good, but all the qb's in that draft turned out no good and we HAD to take one. Should have been in the 2nd. Liked the Alonso pick.

I think Woods would have done better somewhere else.

D.

[Ingtar33]

1-EJ Manuel
2-Robert Woods
2-Kiko Alonso
3-Marquis Goodwin
4-Duke Williams
5-Jonathon Meeks
6-Dustin Hopkins
7-Chris Gragg

Can't really grade a draft for three years, right?

So what is your grade now?

Well, Woods and Alonso were the only players I liked in 2013, depressing I was right about it. I remember going nuts about how atrocious this draft was. Though I do remember Gragg making some plays last season, didn't even know he was still with the team till last year. Good job to him for hanging on despite the round 7 pedigree.

[k-oneputt]

Woods is a marginal #2 at that. Really a #3 or #4 but a #2 on this team.

I would like to have Hopkins back now.

[Mr. Pink]

If Kiko wasn't traded to bring in McCoy this draft would have been an F.

With the trade, D+

Robert Woods alone doesn't give you a passing grade.

[Joe Fo Sho]

Yikes, this draft is not good.

I would give it a D. If you want to consider the Kiko-McCoy trade, I'd bump it to a C-. Also, if we kept Hopkins, I'd bump it up to a C+.

Nix was still involved with this draft class, wasn't he?

[Joe Fo Sho]

Robert Woods alone doesn't give you a passing grade.

You have to consider Kiko, though. Whether you consider his trade as part of the draft grade or not, it should be noted that Kiko provided value to the Bills while he was on our roster. He would still be providing some value if he were here.

[DraftBoy]

You have to consider Kiko, though. Whether you consider his trade as part of the draft grade or not, it should be noted that Kiko provided value to the Bills while he was on our roster. He would still be providing some value if he were here.

His value was greatly over exaggerated by most of the fan base. There is a reason he was traded not once but twice in a short amount of time.

[Mr. Pink]

His value was greatly over exaggerated by most of the fan base. There is a reason he was traded not once but twice in a short amount of time.

Plus the fact he's now an injury risk and only started one game last year with Philly.

As much as running backs are a dime a dozen in this league, outside of AP, we completely fleeced Philly on that trade.

Although they didn't do too horribly bad in a completely roundabout kind of way as LeSean in reality ends up being an attached piece for them to draft Wentz.

[trapezeus]

ugly draft. technically whaley's first. the bills killed themselves with buddy trashing Fitzpatrick. had they gotten one more year out of him and maybe had another lack luster season, we would have been able to pick in a better class. kiko at least played well for that season to get a trade worth a decent return. duke Williams may compete with ej for worst in that draft. ej's badness is more prominent and easier to see, but duke Williams is trash.

[DraftBoy]

Plus the fact he's now an injury risk and only started one game last year with Philly.

As much as running backs are a dime a dozen in this league, outside of AP, we completely fleeced Philly on that trade.

Although they didn't do too horribly bad in a completely roundabout kind of way as LeSean in reality ends up being an attached piece for them to draft Wentz.

They better pray that Wentz can light it up. If there is any place where you can't afford for a youngster to struggle its the unforgiving confines of Philly.

[Joe Fo Sho]

His value was greatly over exaggerated by most of the fan base. There is a reason he was traded not once but twice in a short amount of time.

He still had value though. He was the Pro Football Writers of America Defensive Rookie of the Year and runner up for AP Defensive Rookie of the year. That's gotta count for something.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

ugly draft. technically whaley's first. the bills killed themselves with buddy trashing Fitzpatrick. had they gotten one more year out of him and maybe had another lack luster season, we would have been able to pick in a better class. kiko at least played well for that season to get a trade worth a decent return. duke Williams may compete with ej for worst in that draft. ej's badness is more prominent and easier to see, but duke Williams is trash.

Technically Nix's last. Personally I never bought into the notion that Whaley's called shots in Nix's last draft. It's a bunch of media guess work seeking attention. If you haven't been around these GM types and believing that they have no egos in terms of pulling the draft cards, you are sadly mistaken.

The drafts of 2014, 2015 and 2016 are such a departure from the past where you saw bold moves that are typical of a young GM. Gone are the feeling of steady but dull hands of old guard like Nix, Modrak, and Donahoe. I don't know bold moves are necessarily better but the style is so different you can easily see.

[trapezeus]

GHZ, agreed that its hard to know. whaley did posture about that EJ was his pick alone. but he was also forced into a qb pick in a weak class thanks to nix. he's done well evaluating talent, specifically defensively, that I am willing to give him a pass.

I am torn on being bold. good teams stack picks and get depth. bad teams trade up. that's been relatively true for about the last 5-8 years.

on the other hand, I love that they are giving rex everything. I really don't want to hear excuses about failure this year.

I suspect rex will be his own worst enemy and he will blow this. if the bills end with a top5 pick, they should move from rex immediately. they are in great shape to draft a qb early next year, have defensive talent to work with and maybe get some linemen.