I think he's going to surprise some people and be better than expected.
I think he's going to surprise some people and be better than expected.
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Outside of injuries to TT and EJ I doubt Jones plays a down during the regular season. The most he should play is the 4th preseason game.Originally Posted by Turf
Uh, no troll.Will Cardale Jones Outperform EJ Manual In Training Camp?
They both are beyond awful.
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There you go thinking again!
Well, I'm going against the grain, I like Cardale. None of the QB's in this draft were worth a crap, may as well take the guy with most upside in the most relatively usable spot. If any other QB past the top 2 becomes anything much (and I doubt they will either but I consider them happily out of range), everyone is free to spear me with it. I'm not feeling shy in saying you won't and I'll snicker at you.
Still doesn't mean Jones is the savior, I didn't say that, remember that part of it. I said he was the guy with the most upside in the right range of picks.
All that said, I want him not having to do anything this year but hold a clipboard and learn. If Taylor goes down, and I think he will, Manuel can go on in and be Manuel, because I don't see any way it's going to ruin a learning season. Not a QB available this year, in any sense, makes the Bills a contender or drives a deep playoff run, imho, and everyone grasping for the nonexistent savior who leads us to glory looks silly.
We took a guy I don't like who I don't think is any goooooood ! Take your pick of them, none are. You'll like your same guy plenty when he gets cut, or goes to practice squad for someone, to Canada, or bounces around roster to roster trying to be a backup or a better maybe.
The savior wasn't there, and isn't there. People wanted a QB, we got one. Time to move along and let it play out like it always does.
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trapezeus (05-10-2016)
10 years or more ago, QB's like Favre and Young never saw a start before several years learning. This new show me now attitude is crippling the development of QB's. Even Kelly needed several years to become what he was. I'm not saying Jones is all that, but he has the physical tools. Bringing him along slowly is a smart thing.
Mace (05-09-2016)
I think that it's a good point to remember that none of the QBs in the 2013 draft class were basically worth anything.
The Bills set out to draft the best QB in that draft, and you really can't say that they didn't accomplish that very thing. EJ Manuel might very well be the best QB in that draft. Who is better at this point? That's a toughie, I'd say. But if EJ is the best QB in that draft, that's nothing to brag about or write home about.
This is just what happens a lot when you draft for need, especially at the QB position. Teams take their shots on who is available, and they overpay all the time because of the importance of QB. Teams try to force the issue every year.
The people crying incompetence about the EJ pick are often the same people crying about how we need to draft a QB. Some drafts are just a lose-lose situation in that category. Nobody wants to wait until next year.
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Mace (05-10-2016)
Neither is Manuel.
Lehner's history. He just doesn't know it yet.
Agreed. Bring him along slowly. Then cut him.
gebobs (05-10-2016)
People just seem shocked as hell that the 139th pick in the draft isn't ready to come in to play immediately.
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Dr. Lecter (05-10-2016),DraftBoy (05-10-2016),Lone Stranger (05-12-2016),MillsapsBillsFan (05-10-2016)
I know a lot of people who are Ohio State fans. None of them think much of Jones as QB. However, when I talk to a buddy who works for a local agency, he has a different perspective. Basically most, if not all current college QBs are on skill sets not directly translate-able to NFL QBs. So it is a projection. Jones is not really a QB running Meyer type of offense. Hence his early status in OSU and the up and downs since then. There are quite a lot of people agree that he might be better suited to play under the center like in NFL but never afforded a chance to in college. It could be a long road to develop and most NFL coaches and front office don't have that kind of time like they used to have to develop him. Aaron Rogers was that close to hit FA with Favre in front of him and he righted himself in basically one and half years sitting on the bench (a HOF developing pace). What if Jones takes 3 years? Then he's on the crusp of FA and the drafting team must base very limited sample size to decide whether to put down big investment.
Bottom line, in his opinion, teams don't have the QBs (like Jones) best interest in mind. they would rather throw the players out early to sink or swim. If they survive, throw money at them. If they sink, draft the next one.
It's more a case that most teams are desperate for better QB play. And roster spots are precious. With a QB, you want to see progress in practice whether they're playing or sitting in games. Every throw is recorded. At some point you have an idea whether the guy has a chance for the light to come on. But if the guy is too big a project he may run out of time, life in the NFL. Ask EJ.
Sign of the times. For nearly the entire history of the franchise, with the exception of a few years that Jim Harris rode pine in favor of the bum Dennis Shaw, the Bills quarterback corps has been lily white. Now we have three black quarterbacks. Add Josh Johnson and there's a minstrel quartet. *ducks*
In the bills scenario, they have a back up qb who is more expensive cut than stays. so ej is on this team. we have already *****ed about this last year. he won't be the following year. so the bills will have a need for a back up regardless. if TT flames out on a sophomore slump, is figured out, or really not good enough to justify the pay day, we need a 1st string qb. To me, if TT failsor is injured, the bills will fail in a big way. like top 5 pick next season. Soisn't better to have guy developing in jones regardless?The team will need a starter or back up next year. he's a cheap player and has more potential than going journeyman route.
one more point of the journeyman: this route has consistently failed the bills because we draft a guy, rush him to play, then get disgusted and let the journeyman play. he invariably gets us close to .500 and we are frustrated that we weren't bad enough to get a good QB in the draft and weren't good enough to be relevant. we are in a better position, regardless of your take on jones, because it does set us up for a chance for TT to excel or be in a position to draft high and get the best qb in a class.
How dare you ignore the legend of Willie Totten!!!!!!
If you were blind or never saw him play, I guess you could.
You'd be wrong but that's besides the point.
Totten was Jerry Rice's QB in college.
You're welcome for that useless tidbit of knowledge.
Mace (05-10-2016)
Scabs don't count.
Mr. Pink (05-11-2016)
Racist.
As someone who watches every Buckeye game, the guy needs reps. Very raw.
Giving more than 1 quarter to Manuel during the pre-season is a waste. He's soon to be gone.
Let Jones work through his inexperience in games that don't count. Give him 2 quarters most every pre-season game.
He may turn out to be a better option, if Taylor goes down.... Doesn't have to do much to be a better option than Manuel...that's for sure.
Slick (05-11-2016)
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