Rob Ryan's problems in New Orleans

[justasportsfan]

Re: Rob Ryan's problems in New Orleans

Btw, Rexs D got owned by EJ Manuel and Marrone. .

[feldspar]

Re: Rob Ryan's problems in New Orleans

What????

He took a 10 and made it 4 and the other took that 4 and made it 19. Pettines 10 wascranked up in sacks, it was the worst run D. Schwartz improved both stats in a different scheme. The sacks were better without blitzing.


Maybe you are right. Schwartz is not as good , that just means Rex sucks.


Youre only as good as your last performance. Rex destroyed that 4th ranked D. Fact!

What excuse are you going to make now rhat he has the players ro run his scheme if he doesnt even make top 10 in his 2nd year?

Theyre rookies? We wouldnt have needed to depend on rookiesnif Rex wasnt a scheme person. He does not know how to use players to their talent. Drop back Dareus!!!!!

I'm sorry, but when did I make any excuse for Rex? Everything I said was fact. I was talking mainly about Schwartz, and then dared anyone to compare his track record to Rex's. Go ahead and do that, why don't ya?

Schwartz chose not to remain as DC last year. Some people wanted him as Head Coach after Marrone took his money and headed for the hills. But Schwartz's record as Head Coach is 29-51. The Lions improved on defense dramatically the year after he left, ironically enough...more so than the Bills did with him as DC. The Lions went 11-5 after he left, too.

And Rex did not "destroy" the defense. They had a not-so-good year, but the defense is still there. I personally expect them to be much better this year. The damage is hardly irrevocable.

If you want excuses I'll point to injuries...Schwartz had little, and Rex had big ones. Mario dogged it and made waves. Players have recently come out saying that they felt that the defense would just automatically be better because Rex was coach, and therefore didn't put in the required work. Admittedly, that could be a reflection of coaching. The ridiculous amount of penalties last year could be coaching too, but that's a different debate. Rex also wasted a lot of time during the season trying to blend his scheme with the things that worked for Schwartz the year before...that didn't work, so that was a mistake. Enough with the "dropping into coverage crap," too...that didn't happen all that much. Are those excuses? Maybe. But these things DID happen.

Btw, Rexs D got owned by EJ Manuel and Marrone. .

lol, where did you get that? It's a bit of a stretch. Geno Smith imploded in that game, and he turned the ball over FOUR times before he was yanked from the game. He was truly beyond awful in every way, and that's basically what happened in that game.

Please...

You know what Rex Ryan's defense did? It beat Peyton Manning and Tom Brady in consecutive road games in the playoffs. Why not bring THAT up?

[Ginger Vitis]

Re: Rob Ryan's problems in New Orleans

Btw, Rexs D got owned by EJ Manuel and Marrone. .

In 2014 Rexs D was owned by Kyle Orton

[justasportsfan]

Re: Rob Ryan's problems in New Orleans

Feldspar, taking the same D and making it better is what Wade Philipps did. Taking a very talented defense and making it worse is what Rex did.. these are facts .

Trying to use injury as an excuse is hogwash. Making Mario and Dareus drop is worse than using injury as an excuse. We could have had Clay Mathews and making him cover would be idiotic.

[justasportsfan]

Re: Rob Ryan's problems in New Orleans

I would take Oettines defense from a few years ago over Rexs D from last year.

[feldspar]

Re: Rob Ryan's problems in New Orleans

In 2014 Rexs D was owned by Kyle Orton

Lol. Bull****.

Kyle Otron was efficient and threw 4 TDs, but the Jets QBs turned the ball over a whopping SIX TIMES in that game. That is the story of that game. Geno Smith threw three interceptions on three consecutive drives in the first quarter alone before he was yanked again. Remember that? Total snowball effect. Then Michael Vick replaced him, and he proceeded to turn the ball over another three times himself.

Geno Smith and the Jets QB problem happened again.

I'm not really too much of a Rex apologist, but please tell the truth or at least know what you are talking about.

[feldspar]

Re: Rob Ryan's problems in New Orleans

Feldspar, taking the same D and making it better is what Wade Philipps did. Taking a very talented defense and making it worse is what Rex did.. these are facts .

Trying to use injury as an excuse is hogwash. Making Mario and Dareus drop is worse than using injury as an excuse. We could have had Clay Mathews and making him cover would be idiotic.

Does your hatred of Rex stop you from listening to what I said?

I think so.

[YardRat]

Re: Rob Ryan's problems in New Orleans

Jim Schwartz turned the #10 ranked defense into the #4 ranked defense. The Bills defense was already pretty good under Pettine. People forget that the Bills all-time sack record still stands from the 2013 season, when Pettine was the DC. The Bills already had a good pass defense when Schwartz got here...that didn't change much. What Schwartz helped turn around was the rush defense which, among other things, helped the Bills allow much fewer points. So, yeah, Schwartz did do a great job in his one season in Buffalo.

But if you look at Schwartz's entire body of work, it's not really that impressive...not consistently good by a longshot. For example, in his first season as defensive coordinator in Tennessee, all he did was turn the #1 defense from the previous year and turn it into the #25 defense. He helped take the #2 ranked team in points allowed, and turned it into the #25 team in points allowed...the team gave up almost 200 more points than the year before he got there.

In other words, I wouldn't go about hoisting Jim Schwartz on your shoulders and parade him around the town square just yet. Bad seasons happen, like the time Jim Schwartz's defense was ranked dead last in 2006 in Tennessee, with only one other team allowing more points.

Hell, if you want to justify demonizing Rex Ryan and aggrandizing Jim Schwartz, then compare their entire track records. Compare their results as Head Coaches, defensive Coordinators, and even their defenses when they were Head coaches. I guarantee you that Rex comes out way ahead in just about every category in the end. Here, these two links two links will make that pretty easy to do...one link for Ryan, and the other link for Schwartz:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/SchwJi0.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/RyanRe0.htm

Again, I realize that stats aren't the end-all, but c'mon now.

I'll re-iterate...Schwartz did far more than a "#10" ranked defense to number four, improving the units performance in 10 of 11 major statistical categories, the only exception being interceptions. By contrast, Wrecks took the squad three steps backward finishing worse than both Pettine and Schwartz in seven of the 11.

Schwartz--(Pettine)--Wrecks. GREEN is better than Schwartz (notice there are none)...BLUE is better than Pettine (only three)...RED is worse than both (seven of eleven categories).

Points per game--4--(20)--15
Yards per game--4--(10)--19
Yards per point--3--(6)--9
1st downs allowed per game--5--(12)--20
3rd down % allowed--1--(14)--23
Fumbles recovered--10--(25)--22
Rush yards per game--11--(28)--16
Passing yards per game--3--(4)--19
Sacks--1--(2)--31
Interceptions--6--(2)--6
QB rating--2--(3)--10

Yards per game, which is where the #10 and #4 rankings come from, is just a very small part of the entire picture.

[feldspar]

Re: Rob Ryan's problems in New Orleans

I'll re-iterate...Schwartz did far more than a "#10" ranked defense to number four, improving the units performance in 10 of 11 major statistical categories, the only exception being interceptions. By contrast, Wrecks took the squad three steps backward finishing worse than both Pettine and Schwartz in seven of the 11.

Schwartz--(Pettine)--Wrecks. GREEN is better than Schwartz (notice there are none)...BLUE is better than Pettine (only three)...RED is worse than both (seven of eleven categories).

Points per game--4--(20)--15
Yards per game--4--(10)--19
Yards per point--3--(6)--9
1st downs allowed per game--5--(12)--20
3rd down % allowed--1--(14)--23
Fumbles recovered--10--(25)--22
Rush yards per game--11--(28)--16
Passing yards per game--3--(4)--19
Sacks--1--(2)--31
Interceptions--6--(2)--6
QB rating--2--(3)--10

Yards per game, which is where the #10 and #4 rankings come from, is just a very small part of the entire picture.

I'm taken aback by your shocking display of color coded figures.

The only problem is that I never said Rex did a good job with this defense in any way, and agreed that Schwartz did a great job in his one year.

Feel free to read back through my recent posts in this this thread and address what I actually DID say.

[YardRat]

Re: Rob Ryan's problems in New Orleans

I'm taken aback by your shocking display of color coded figures.

The only problem is that I never said Rex did a good job with this defense in any way, and agreed that Schwartz did a great job in his one year.

Feel free to read back through my recent posts in this this thread and address what I actually DID say.

Sometimes you just have to pull out the crayons.

[Mace]

Re: Rob Ryan's problems in New Orleans

I'm taken aback by your shocking display of color coded figures.

Imho he loafed. Could have made it way more confusing with a little time and effort by giving Schwartz and (Pettine) their own colors.

[swiper]

Re: Rob Ryan's problems in New Orleans

Jim Schwartz turned the #10 ranked defense into the #4 ranked defense. The Bills defense was already pretty good under Pettine. People forget that the Bills all-time sack record still stands from the 2013 season, when Pettine was the DC. The Bills already had a good pass defense when Schwartz got here...that didn't change much. What Schwartz helped turn around was the rush defense which, among other things, helped the Bills allow much fewer points. So, yeah, Schwartz did do a great job in his one season in Buffalo.

But if you look at Schwartz's entire body of work, it's not really that impressive...not consistently good by a longshot. For example, in his first season as defensive coordinator in Tennessee, all he did was turn the #1 defense from the previous year and turn it into the #25 defense. He helped take the #2 ranked team in points allowed, and turned it into the #25 team in points allowed...the team gave up almost 200 more points than the year before he got there.

In other words, I wouldn't go about hoisting Jim Schwartz on your shoulders and parade him around the town square just yet. Bad seasons happen, like the time Jim Schwartz's defense was ranked dead last in 2006 in Tennessee, with only one other team allowing more points.

Hell, if you want to justify demonizing Rex Ryan and aggrandizing Jim Schwartz, then compare their entire track records. Compare their results as Head Coaches, defensive Coordinators, and even their defenses when they were Head coaches. I guarantee you that Rex comes out way ahead in just about every category in the end. Here, these two links two links will make that pretty easy to do...one link for Ryan, and the other link for Schwartz:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/SchwJi0.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/RyanRe0.htm

Again, I realize that stats aren't the end-all, but c'mon now.

For someone who claims not to be a Rex apologist you certainly sound like one. We all realize Schwartz's overall record. But the fact was he took a good defense, one we all liked under Pettine, and raised it. You seem to be forgetting all the angst here and in Bills fanworld about Schwartz when he came. He came to town with a lot of criticism. His trouble in Tennessee was personnel related mostly.

The fact is this. The Bills defense, personnel-wise, changed very little from 2013 (under Pettine) to 2015 (under Ryan).

Schwartz lifted that defense higher than fans expected he would and Ryan took it down. Trying to tell people that Ryan's overall record is good is a joke. In Baltimore it was the personnel that made the buffoon look good. He hasn't been good elsewhere. That makes your feeble attempt at a retort disingenuous and lame.

[Topas]

Re: Rob Ryan's problems in New Orleans

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Schwartz lifted that defense higher than fans expected he would and Ryan took it down. Trying to tell people that Ryan's overall record is good is a joke. In Baltimore it was the personnel that made the buffoon look good. He hasn't been good elsewhere. That makes your feeble attempt at a retort disingenuous and lame.

I agree with most what you said. And I also think Rex is not a very good coach and he totally ruined the D. AND THEN he finds lame excuses (if Mario did not play well then bench him, you idiot). AND THEN he signed his brother who looked over the worst D last year. AND THEN of yourse his brother finds lame excuses ... That does not look good.
But I disagree with the bolded part. He improved the Jets D quite a bit in his first year and had very good Ds for the first two or three years. And the Jets D was not that good prior to him. And they were number one in his first year. That is impressive. Unfortunately the change in the ranking during his first year with the Bills was just as impressive. Only in the wrong direction ...

[trapezeus]

Re: Rob Ryan's problems in New Orleans

These two are just the Worst. They have no manner of self reflection and or ability to see what they've done wrong. They just go on the offensive and double down that they might get it right next time for no other reason that they get the next shot

Rex Ryan's game day coaching was forever questioned for me in the KC game. They didn't go back to Watkins and he listened to his people instead of his eyes on he hogan catch.

He will always be this clown until he decides not to be. By picking his bro instead of picking someone that could actually help shows how blind he is. I really hope it goes south in a hurry so that we can can him at the end of this season and not wait Til the next one

[cookie G]

Re: Rob Ryan's problems in New Orleans

These two are just the Worst. They have no manner of self reflection and or ability to see what they've done wrong. They just go on the offensive and double down that they might get it right next time for no other reason that they get the next shot

Rex Ryan's game day coaching was forever questioned for me in the KC game. They didn't go back to Watkins and he listened to his people instead of his eyes on he hogan catch.

He will always be this clown until he decides not to be. By picking his bro instead of picking someone that could actually help shows how blind he is. I really hope it goes south in a hurry so that we can can him at the end of this season and not wait Til the next one

**Yes, the post will come out sounding negative****

You know, if Rex had ended up with, say the Broncos last year, and did to their defense what he did to the Bills, and then brought in the caretaker of the worst defense in NFL history to "right the ship"...people here would be laughing at the Broncos. And they would be laughing at what they said in the interview. (I laughed a lot, myself).

The ones who would be laughing the loudest would be the ones who now defend these 2.

If Michael Spinks and Trevor Berbick went public and blamed their Mike Tyson beat downs on their trainers..it would probably sound like that interview.