Latest on new stadium thoughts from ownership

[trapezeus]

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what is also awesome is that people look at the top 3-5 company's in any industry and assume that's the winning strategy. you have to look at your lot and how you either plan to get to top 3-5 or know how to work your niche. buffalo is never going to be nyc or SF. and that's fine. I think a new stadium makes sense if its a year round building in downtown and the state supports infrastructure build in conjunction with luring other companies based on improving infrastructure. to build a stadium just to have a shiny new toy with no benefit to the city or the people of the city in the form of jobs or improved infrastructure is a waste of money.

[HHURRICANE]

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There is quite a bit of pragmatism to what they are saying.

Everyone who follows football knows this team has ranged from terrible to mediocre for the last 15 years. But the fans generally keep showing up. Why? Because we know we can have fun tailgating and because it's affordable, at least relative to other NFL stadiums.

But if we get a new stadium, costs will go up, and if it's downtown, people will be forced into more expensive bars and restaurants because tailgating will be limited to people with the means to afford the limiting parking right next to the stadium (that's what happens here in Balt).

If the team continues to struggle, or even if we have a few successful years then go into another slump, people won't go to an expensive new stadium. The situation becomes unsustainable and Pegula and the team will lose a lot of money.

I never understand this argument. You realize you will get fans, with families, that won't go to games at the Ralph but will at the new stadium. You will be trading out some fans. That's the way it works.

[trapezeus]

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not at 2x the cost. the bills get a good percentage of traveling fans as well. they make that trip because its cheaper to travel and get the ticket and hotel than it is to buy the seat equivalent in their home market. you lose that, then its all on bills fans to make up the difference.

[justasportsfan]

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Pegula is cheap!!!

[justasportsfan]

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The stadium is a dump.
Build a new one.

I'm more worried about the drunks than I am the stadium. Dont care if you have a better stadium than the cowboys, drunken bills fans will ruin the experience anyways.

[OpIv37]

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I never understand this argument. You realize you will get fans, with families, that won't go to games at the Ralph but will at the new stadium. You will be trading out some fans. That's the way it works.

Disagree. Families won't be able to afford it, especially not seasons with the PSL's.

Also, the rowdier crowd goes to the game when the team is bad because it's a party. Families with kids aren't going to sit outside in Dec to watch a 3-10 team.

[TacklingDummy]

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I'm more worried about the drunks than I am the stadium. Dont care if you have a better stadium than the cowboys, drunken bills fans will ruin the experience anyways.

Last year was the first time I went to the Ralph in 25 years.
The outside of the stadium was a disgrace.
The way people acted and trash everywhere.

It made the inside of the stadium look like a Palace.

[Mace]

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Are you familiar with the strategic 4 sector model?

High volume implies low quality/cost product to be successful.

No I wasn't. I don't get your point though.

We have a successful low quality/cost product. The model works.

Would anyone really want us to have an unsuccessful low quality/high cost product ?

Bahahahaha.

[Guest]

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No I wasn't. I don't get your point though.

We have a successful low quality/cost product. The model works.

Would anyone really want us to have an unsuccessful low quality/high cost product ?

Bahahahaha.

Works for who?

For the owner -- YES

For the "fan" who wants to drink for free in the parking lot but will be too wasted to remember the actual game -- YES

For the serious Bills fan who wants to see a truly competitive team on the field -- NO

[HHURRICANE]

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Disagree. Families won't be able to afford it, especially not seasons with the PSL's.

Also, the rowdier crowd goes to the game when the team is bad because it's a party. Families with kids aren't going to sit outside in Dec to watch a 3-10 team.

Why does everyone act like everyone in Buffalo makes $10 an hour? There is more than enough fans that can afford a ticket in any market, including Buffalo. A new stadium downtown is going to get fans that the current one doesn't attract.

It's a form of entertainment regardless of the teams record.

[HAMMER]

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Why does everyone act like everyone in Buffalo makes $10 an hour? There is more than enough fans that can afford a ticket in any market, including Buffalo. A new stadium downtown is going to get fans that the current one doesn't attract.

It's a form of entertainment regardless of the teams record.

I agree with this statement. A new stadium will likely price out many families which will be a shame, but it will attract a new crowd/demographic that hasn't been willing/wanting to go to the Ralph.

One thing is for sure, the Ralph is cursed and it's time to get away from the bad Juju of those Indian bones that have been haunting us since we moved in.

[DetDannyWilliams]

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I went to a Giants game and I got to tour Levi's stadium it's a beautiful stadium... built for 2 billion, similar to Ford Field seats 68,500 expandable to 75,000 the seating design puts 2/3 of the fans in the lower bowl WHICH IS ONE OF IT'S KIND IN THE ENTIRE NFL, significantly improved accessibility and seating options for fans with special needs and disabilities (something that Ralph Wilson Stadium has been criticized for not having enough of) the majority of the luxury suites on one side of the field, puts the fans in the upper deck closer to the action.

[coastal]

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Works for who?

For the owner -- YES

For the "fan" who wants to drink for free in the parking lot but will be too wasted to remember the actual game -- YES

For the serious Bills fan who wants to see a truly competitive team on the field -- NO

Parking lot!!!

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3383131/Buffalo-Bills-fan-no-idea-s-fire-friends-try-extinguish-flames-BEER.html

[Mace]

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Works for who?

For the owner -- YES

For the "fan" who wants to drink for free in the parking lot but will be too wasted to remember the actual game -- YES

For the serious Bills fan who wants to see a truly competitive team on the field -- NO

2 yes's vs 1 no. Unfortunate the no is at your expense, but I think you missed my sarcasm.

Like I said and it should have been obvious, do you want us to have a crap team (anyway) that costs more ? Like (hello ?) a cheaper crap team is better than an expensive crap team.

Working model, I snicker at you.

[stuckincincy]

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Terry : http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/16...-stadium-plans

Kim : http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2016...t-finding-mode

The substance of both is that they aren't being pushed and they're aware of market limitations while doing due diligence. This is a good thing imho.

It's also where Brandon comes into play with some common sense in his real field (from the latter) :

That was a good article in the buffalorumblings site.

Other considerations are the nationwide thing about concussions. Whaley's words of a few weeks ago..."football is a violent game that humans aren't supposed to play." Lem Barney saying that football's days are numbered, a few years ago.

Looming large is the spectre of "unbundling" of cable and sat dish programming. The NFL has that multi-billion dollar deal with ESPN. If the large numbers of subscribers who don't give a rat's patoot about the NFL dump all those ESPN flavors and save themselves 5 or 10 bucks a month, advertisers won't pony up and pay today's ad rates 'cause less viewers are on tap.

Tying up in-city land for a stadium would be a tough sell.

I think the Pegula's cautious approach is correct.