Bosa holding out

[Mace]

While neither party chose to publicly convey the greater details of the stalemate in the interest of keeping talks peaceful and protected, there is known disagreement on what percentage of Bosa's signing bonus should be deferred to the 2017 calendar year. For players, it generally is considered favorable to receive more money upfront. Willingness to feature off-set language (a team-friendly provision) in Bosa's contract comes with expectation of minimal deferral amount.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/jul/29/chargers-joey-bosa-holdout-contract/

So it isn't the offset language (which is practical and obvious), but how much of a fully guaranteed 25 million he gets when.

I can't really grasp Bosa's position with that probable guaranteed number unless they're trying to pay him 150 dollars this year.

[stuckincincy]

Re: Bosa holding out

In the Fiesta Bowl against ND, it looked to me like he intentionally speared the ND QB to get ejected from the gameafter seeing ND's Myles Jack go down.

Buyer beware, perhaps...

[Night Train]

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http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...dout-contract/

So it isn't the offset language (which is practical and obvious), but how much of a fully guaranteed 25 million he gets when.

I can't really grasp Bosa's position with that probable guaranteed number unless they're trying to pay him 150 dollars this year.

It could be stiffing him on certain money, with a pending L.A. move and fuzzy accounting coming into play. I'm sure if SD was staying for sure, this wouldn't be happening.

[Night Train]

Re: Bosa holding out

In the Fiesta Bowl against ND, it looked to me like he intentionally speared the ND QB to get ejected from the gameafter seeing ND's Myles Jack go down.

Buyer beware, perhaps...

Myles Jack played for UCLA.

Bosa was a star player as a Freshman and one of the safest picks in the draft. This has to do with SD and their possible move. Trying to defer money.

[Mace]

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It could be stiffing him on certain money, with a pending L.A. move and fuzzy accounting coming into play. I'm sure if SD was staying for sure, this wouldn't be happening.

Don't know. They're talking like it's all guaranteed anyway, he just wants more earlier, which boggles me, because it's all guaranteed anyway and with that much money it seems irrelevant unless they're trying to stick him with only 1 or 2 up front.

Even if they did that, the guaranteed contract is a favorable line of credit which is hardly going to cripple him. Just seems peculiar.

[stuckincincy]

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Myles Jack played for UCLA.

Bosa was a star player as a Freshman and one of the safest picks in the draft. This has to do with SD and their possible move. Trying to defer money.

My mistake - it was Jaylon Smith I was thinking about.

Here's what Bosa's mom said today:

"Wish we pulled an Eli Manning on draft day."

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/aug/07/chargers-joey-bosa-mom-holdout/

[Mace]

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My mistake - it was Jaylon Smith I was thinking about.

Here's what Bosa's mom said today:

"Wish we pulled an Eli Manning on draft day."

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...a-mom-holdout/

Still doesn't make sense to me, he supposedly wants his full 17 million bonus this year and not split with next. It's fully guaranteed anyway. I don't think many teams are going to play that game. It's like, so what ?

[stuckincincy]

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Still doesn't make sense to me, he supposedly wants his full 17 million bonus this year and not split with next. It's fully guaranteed anyway. I don't think many teams are going to play that game. It's like, so what ?

Agreed. The only sense I can see is he and his family are adamant on getting the bundle up front, a bird in hand being better than two in the bush, so to speak, because the plan is to dog it once he suits up, to the point where he's useless for SD to put on the field. Getting cut sooner rather than later suits the scheme.

The world is chock full of unethical, egotistical, greedy, bombastic people. Many of the the NFL owners fit that description.

IMO, he lowered his head with yards to go, to hit the ND QB for the purpose of getting tossed, to save himself from injury in the Fiesta Bowl.

[YardRat]

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Agreed. The only sense I can see is he and his family are adamant on getting the bundle up front, a bird in hand being better than two in the bush, so to speak, because the plan is to dog it once he suits up, to the point where he's useless for SD to put on the field. Getting cut sooner rather than later suits the scheme.

The world is chock full of unethical, egotistical, greedy, bombastic people. Many of the the NFL owners fit that description.

IMO, he lowered his head with yards to go, to hit the ND QB for the purpose of getting tossed, to save himself from injury in the Fiesta Bowl.

If he did do that, he's not very bright, increasing his chance of injuring himself by lowering his head.

[Mace]

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If he did do that, he's not very bright, increasing his chance of injuring himself by lowering his head.

Having trouble thinking he's too bright anyway, arguing guaranteed money like 8-9 million just won't hold him for a year like 17 would until he holds out attempting to renegotiate in year 2.

[stuckincincy]

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If he did do that, he's not very bright, increasing his chance of injuring himself by lowering his head.

He did do it - there is no doubt about it. 'twas a low-speed affair. In the open. Check out the youtube video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgFX_uZI20s

[stuckincincy]

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The saga continues...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000682541/article/antonio-gates-to-bosa-be-a-man-get-ready-to-play

[swiper]

Re: Bosa holding out

At some point Bosa has to understand he has to fall in line.

[DraftBoy]

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Chargers announced that they have pulled their offer to Bosa because of the time he missed he won't be able to contribute to a full season and thus will restructure their offer.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17383258/san-diego-chargers-pull-offer-unsigned-draft-pick-joey-bosa

[trapezeus]

Re: Bosa holding out

crazy if he dips back into the draft. really not fair to a team that drafts a guy. at least bosa can get back into the draft and be selected again. I wonder If he would go top 3 again with a year away from a football program. if he doesn't, he's losing a lot more than the "offset" language.