Bosa /Chargers aren't coming together, their best offer is being pulled of the table

[k-oneputt]

Re: Bosa /Chargers aren't coming together, their best offer is being pulled of the ta

Shaq's hurt.
I haven't heard about this 8/8 deadline, please continue

[Mace]

Re: Bosa /Chargers aren't coming together, their best offer is being pulled of the ta

Shaq's hurt.
I haven't heard about this 8/8 deadline, please continue

Even if the Chargers wanted to trade Bosa, they can't. The Aug. 9 deadline to trade a drafted, unsigned rookie passed already.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/chargers-say-bosa-wont-play-full-16-season-after-rejecting-latest-offer/

Down at the bottom (5. So what's next ?)

Also : http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-bosa-in-2016/

[k-oneputt]

Re: Bosa /Chargers aren't coming together, their best offer is being pulled of the ta

Thank-you. That ends that scenario.

[Mr. Miyagi]

Re: Bosa /Chargers aren't coming together, their best offer is being pulled of the ta

OK cool, I haven't vetted the idea. Thanks.

You can say that about 95% of the threads you start.

[stuckincincy]

Re: Bosa /Chargers aren't coming together, their best offer is being pulled of the ta

Here's Joey insuring he'd be tossed out of the Fiesta Bowl with this low-speed helmet spear after ND's Jaylon Smith got injured:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgFX_uZI20s

[Mace]

Re: Bosa /Chargers aren't coming together, their best offer is being pulled of the ta

Thank-you. That ends that scenario.

It still really looks to me like all Bosa did was make sure he gets less money. Chargers pulled their offer and mean to offer him less now (for games he won't play), and if he goes back into the draft he won't be going 3rd again after sitting out a year.

[DraftBoy]

Re: Bosa /Chargers aren't coming together, their best offer is being pulled of the ta

Thank-you. That ends that scenario.

Not completely, they could still do a sign and trade deal. I just have no idea how you structure it with the bonuses to ensure the Chargers wouldn't be left with dead cap money from the trade.

[Mace]

Re: Bosa /Chargers aren't coming together, their best offer is being pulled of the ta

Not completely, they could still do a sign and trade deal. I just have no idea how you structure it with the bonuses to ensure the Chargers wouldn't be left with dead cap money from the trade.

From what I understand, you can't.

Another possible outcome, though it is very unlikely, would be a sign-and-trade scenario. The Chargers could sign Bosa and then trade him to another team, but San Diego would take a huge cap hit in terms of dead money, so it's unlikely the Chargers would pursue this option considering they would just end up paying Bosa to play for a different team.

http://www.sbnation.com/2016/8/8/12402198/joey-bosa-contract-holdout-san-diego-chargers-why

[Mace]

Re: Bosa /Chargers aren't coming together, their best offer is being pulled of the ta

From what I understand, you can't.



http://www.sbnation.com/2016/8/8/124...o-chargers-why

Had a cat on my arm. Signing bonus is guaranteed, you can't trade dead cap. It would cost the Chargers 17 million in dead cap.

[DraftBoy]

Re: Bosa /Chargers aren't coming together, their best offer is being pulled of the ta

From what I understand, you can't.



http://www.sbnation.com/2016/8/8/124...o-chargers-why

Yea with the way that the NFL pro-rates bonuses it would be nearly impossible unless he "waives" the signing bonus and gets it in Year 2 as a roster bonus. And I'm not even sure they can do that but he'd basically have to waive all bonuses and any other cap hits (outside of salary) until he's officially with his new team.

[DraftBoy]

Re: Bosa /Chargers aren't coming together, their best offer is being pulled of the ta

Had a cat on my arm. Signing bonus is guaranteed, you can't trade dead cap. It would cost the Chargers 17 million in dead cap.

I didn't know the CBA guaranteed a Signing Bonus slot as well. Seems odd.

[Turf]

Re: Bosa /Chargers aren't coming together, their best offer is being pulled of the ta

I don't understand all the terms of this ****. But it seems to me there is a cap on what they can offer. They reached it. WTF else does he want? The guy is a tool in the order of Vesey right now.

[Mace]

Re: Bosa /Chargers aren't coming together, their best offer is being pulled of the ta

I didn't know the CBA guaranteed a Signing Bonus slot as well. Seems odd.

He can't waive anything for signing bonus. From what I understand it's predetermined based on percentage of cap by draft slot in the first 4 rounds.

Again, this is from what I understand in looking it up.

As for salaries, the vast majority of drafted players have four years of non-guaranteed minimum salaries, accompanied by a signing bonus that’s not negotiated by the agent, but predetermined by the CBA.

"Vast majority" I believe is first 4 rounds.

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/05/22/nfl-rookie-contract-negotiations

[X-Era]

Re: Bosa /Chargers aren't coming together, their best offer is being pulled of the ta

the chargers aren't the only team that uses offsets in their rookie contract language (most teams do, it's something that was allowed with the rookie pay cap); they are one of a handful of teams that do it with their "other" contracts though. everyone knows they do. it's just what you have to live with when you deal with the chargers.

it's not just the chargers, nearly every single rookie who signed this year has offset language in their deal.

It's obviously collusion the way nfl clubs are using it. but while I would be all over the team if it was anyone else for collusion, the chargers have been using offset language or a form of it in every single contract signed since the last labor deal. Its their way of doing business.

If only one team does it I'm missing the collusion basis.

The other way to view this is that allthe other teams aren't having this problem under the same CBA...

It doesn't seem that hard to me. The contract is pretty much known. It's a cheap rate compared to pre-rookie-salary-cap days so what is the problem.

I can't back the Chargers at all here. If they are getting the guy they think they have based on the pick they spent on him they get a steal.

[Mace]

Re: Bosa /Chargers aren't coming together, their best offer is being pulled of the ta

I can't back the Chargers at all here. If they are getting the guy they think they have based on the pick they spent on him they get a steal.

I really don't get this. He gets the same guaranteed money through the life of the deal, but wants to either (no offset) double dip if he's that terrible to get cut in 4 years (before option), or wants more of the money he'll get anyway (I read somewhere it's like 1.5 mil diff) from the Chargers.

It's the same money. It's guaranteed.