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If I'm reading this right, Sammy is condoning Kaep's behavior
I wonder if people realize that the Star Spangled Banner has 4 versus, of which everyone only knows the first. And the third verse mentions slaves. And that Francis Scott Key was a slave owner and staunch supporter of slavery. At least that is what the article I read said. I knew it was only verse one and don't know the other versus. Verified that the third verse mentions slaves.
I only care what Kanye West, the entire Kardashian clan including Caitlyn, and Taylor Swift think about this.
Why do they put the huge flag out and sing the anthem ?? Is it to play a game before the game or honor those who have sacrificed ?? Get over yourself man, get a clue.
Technically speaking the way the national anthem is sung and the crowd cheering it are both contrary to what was originally intended and can also be considered disrespectful. Maybe you should learn a little bit about the history of what it is you're doing before you start telling other people to get a clue.
COMING SOON...
Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!
I wonder if people realize that the Star Spangled Banner has 4 versus, of which everyone only knows the first. And the third verse mentions slaves. And that Francis Scott Key was a slave owner and staunch supporter of slavery. At least that is what the article I read said. I knew it was only verse one and don't know the other versus. Verified that the third verse mentions slaves.
Wow...I didn't know any of that. Fascinating!
Indeed, as the US Attorney for the District of Columbia, he prosecuted several abolitionists for libel and sedition. On the other hand, he represented some slaves in their lawsuits to win freedom. Pro bono at that. He also worked to enforce the will of a friend who freed 400 slaves upon his death and to provide them with land once thee will was formally executed.
Re: If I'm reading this right, Sammy is condoning Kaep's behavior
It would be great and ironic if Kaepernick were a Patriot...you know, playing for New England. At least then I could get a few good zingers in. But this is not entertaining to me as it stands. I follow football to be entertained, not to have it be a springboard for these types of discussions.
Indeed, as the US Attorney for the District of Columbia, he prosecuted several abolitionists for libel and sedition. On the other hand, he represented some slaves in their lawsuits to win freedom. Pro bono at that. He also worked to enforce the will of a friend who freed 400 slaves upon his death and to provide them with land once thee will was formally executed.
I didn't go into his history. The country back then had some great men and did some great things. But even great men don't always do the right thing as evidenced by many of our founding fathers owning humans. It's good to know that he wasn't a total dirtbag. Ha. I always thought America the Beautiful should be our national anthem though.
I always thought America the Beautiful should be our national anthem though.
I agree. What other country has such overtly militaristic metaphors in their anthem? Heck, the anthem of Hitler's homeland is about flowers.
How about This Land is Your Land by Woody Guthrie though I think the following lyrics should be kept private like the third verse of the SSB.
As I went walking I saw a sign there
And on the sign it said "No Trespassing."
But on the other side it didn't say nothing,
That side was made for you and me.
In the shadow of the steeple I saw my people,
By the relief office I seen my people;
As they stood there hungry, I stood there asking
Is this land made for you and me?
Or how about this one? I think the Party Party might go for it.
It would be great and ironic if Kaepernick were a Patriot...you know, playing for New England. At least then I could get a few good zingers in. But this is not entertaining to me as it stands. I follow football to be entertained, not to have it be a springboard for these types of discussions.
Re: If I'm reading this right, Sammy is condoning Kaep's behavior
random thoughts:
it's cool that in the US Kaep has every right to do what he did, in that sense I fully support him
Do I think what he's doing is disrespectful? Yes Offensive? For me, yes. Call me old school on this. Utterly pointless in terms of his stated protest? Yes. Sure people are talking but will it change anyone's behavior? Nope.
I think he has some balls to do what's doing, I'll give him that. But what he's objecting to is racism in America and he won't stand for the anthem until the problem is fixed, good luck with that. He states that the 2 Presidential candidates are unqualified to hold office so who is he appealing to for change? How does disrespecting the flag in any way advance his agenda? Is this the extent of his contribution, sitting for the anthem? If so, pretty weak. What's next, if America doesn't stop being racist "I swear to God I'll hold my breath until I turn blue"? I respect anyone with a point of view that is willing to stand up for it but I give him low marks for his specific actions. If/when he gets cut there will be a debate over what impact the protest had on it. Needless to say being controversial never helps your cause as an athlete.
I wonder if people realize that the Star Spangled Banner has 4 versus, of which everyone only knows the first. And the third verse mentions slaves. And that Francis Scott Key was a slave owner and staunch supporter of slavery. At least that is what the article I read said. I knew it was only verse one and don't know the other versus. Verified that the third verse mentions slaves.
For anyone who doesn't know the anthem actually has 4 verses, or is curious what the other 3 verses actually are.
There is a fifth stanza too, written by Oliver Wendell Holmes Sr. during the War of Northern Aggression...
When our land is illumined with Liberty's smile,
If a foe from within strike a blow at her glory,
Down, down with the traitor that dares to defile
The flag of her stars and the page of her story!
By the millions unchained who our birthright have gained,
We will keep her bright blazon forever unstained!
And the Star-Spangled Banner in triumph shall wave
While the land of the free is the home of the brave.
Here is the third stanza with the reference to slaves by Key...
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country, should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave,
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
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