Sammy

[Mr. Pink]

Re: Sammy

Sadly, it's difficult to expect a WR to do well if his production is ALWAYS attached to how good the guy throwing to him is and how often he is thrown to.

That's complete hogwash.

Roddy White was targeted 137 times in 2007 with Joey Harrington, Chris Redman and Byron Leftwich throwing him the ball.

Yes, once Matt Ryan was brought in his targets went up, but if you're that much better than the rest of the guys on your team, you'll still get looks just because there isn't an option as good.

Last year, in 13 games, Sammy was targeted 96 times. Robert Woods was targeted 80 times.

You know what that says? It says Sammy isn't head and shoulders better than the other options in the passing game, he's basically just another guy.

[SeatownBillsFan21]

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Well when we traded up they show the Jags draft room. They were laughing at us. The freaking Jags are laughing at us. And they were right.

[Mr. Pink]

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Back in 2007 when Lee Evans put up a nice year here, he was also targeted 137 times, next guy was Peerless Price who was targeted 78 times. This is with the awesome JP Losman throwing the football all year.

That says that Lee was head and shoulders better than Price.

Even as a rookie when Sammy was targeted 128 times, Woods was targeted 104 times.

Combine that with last year and shows that Sammy isn't that much better, if at all, than Robert Woods.

Now some of this could be because he's made of glass and is constantly hobbled or slowed down with something, but it could be due to the fact that he simply isn't as good as the front office thought he was when they drafted him.

[chernobylwraiths]

Re: Sammy

That's complete hogwash.

Roddy White was targeted 137 times in 2007 with Joey Harrington, Chris Redman and Byron Leftwich throwing him the ball.

Yes, once Matt Ryan was brought in his targets went up, but if you're that much better than the rest of the guys on your team, you'll still get looks just because there isn't an option as good.

Last year, in 13 games, Sammy was targeted 96 times. Robert Woods was targeted 80 times.

You know what that says? It says Sammy isn't head and shoulders better than the other options in the passing game, he's basically just another guy.

So, Sammy was targeted only one more time per game than Woods. I guess their stats were VERY similar then?

[chernobylwraiths]

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Well when we traded up they show the Jags draft room. They were laughing at us. The freaking Jags are laughing at us. And they were right.

Yeah, they have been a great team since too.

[chernobylwraiths]

Re: Sammy

Back in 2007 when Lee Evans put up a nice year here, he was also targeted 137 times, next guy was Peerless Price who was targeted 78 times. This is with the awesome JP Losman throwing the football all year.

That says that Lee was head and shoulders better than Price.

Even as a rookie when Sammy was targeted 128 times, Woods was targeted 104 times.

Combine that with last year and shows that Sammy isn't that much better, if at all, than Robert Woods.

Now some of this could be because he's made of glass and is constantly hobbled or slowed down with something, but it could be due to the fact that he simply isn't as good as the front office thought he was when they drafted him.

So, what is the difference in their stats if they are such similar players.

My point is that they aren't targeting him enough.

[Ed]

Re: Sammy

Well it's official. Sammy has been placed on IR. Very disappointing.

[feldspar]

Re: Sammy

Well it's official. Sammy has been placed on IR. Very disappointing.

Sure is.

WTF?

[Mr. Pink]

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So, what is the difference in their stats if they are such similar players.

My point is that they aren't targeting him enough.

There's a reason for it besides just poor QB play. Guys with poor QBs still get a truckload of targets and a lot more targets than any other receiver on the team if, IF, they are that much better than anyone else on the team is.

Yes, there are plays that are missed by the QB that cost him maybe a target a game, but when you look at other teams who've had a clear cut number 1 and the amount of targets they have more than who's 2nd you can't just blame the QB for the entire thing.

Some of it is on Sammy himself. Be it talent, be it the injuries, be it he's not vocal enough in the locker room, be it the QB doesn't trust him. One of those, if not a few, are likely factors in why Sammy doesn't get the looks that you think he should.

[Mr. Pink]

Re: Sammy

Well it's official. Sammy has been placed on IR. Very disappointing.

Looks like they signed Justin Hunter to replace him.

I believe a few people on here wanted the Bills to bring him before.

[G]

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for those of you in fantasy leagues, good chance to pounce on robert woods in ppr formats. maybe even standard. great opportunity for volume if you need depth. say a fourth or fifth wr to replace some bum on your roster.

[Ed]

Re: Sammy

It's not season ending IR, but the earliest he can return is Nov. 27th against the Jags. So he could still end up playing in the last 6 games if his foot gets better.

[G]

Re: Sammy

btw the problem with sammy is injuries, it’s not a lack of talent. imagine how good he’d be if he had eli or jameis throwing him the rock a dozen times a game and of course he could stay healthy.

[trapezeus]

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at some point this medical staff needs to be re-evaluated. I didn't read other comments in thread, but this is ridiculous. the foot injury rehab is well known. why they pushed him like this is insanity. there are enough mistakes that a serious reevaluation of the medical staff is in order.

[chernobylwraiths]

Re: Sammy

at some point this medical staff needs to be re-evaluated. I didn't read other comments in thread, but this is ridiculous. the foot injury rehab is well known. why they pushed him like this is insanity. there are enough mistakes that a serious reevaluation of the medical staff is in order.

Haven't missed much. Sammy is a bust, he's made of glass and you're just making excuses. Ronnie Lott would have had his foot cut off on the sidelines and still gotten hall of fame numbers if the same thing happened to him. Any of the receivers in the same draft would have had double the numbers that Sammy had. The team doesn't trust in him or have any faith in him. Etc, etc, etc