Sammy

[Mace]

Re: Sammy

So far Watkins is not looking like he's worth what we spent on him in picks, that's flirting with bust territory even if the injuries aren't his fault. When healthy he doesn't dominate games anyway.

This season is not looking good for him, so next year we already enter into the 4th year of his contract though, and that's extension territory and pickup 5th year option territory.

I don't personally think he's working out so well, but honestly, next year is more significant. I still strongly don't agree with getting him for the price we paid either, but no going back now.

I'm more worried about next year. If he gets in a healthy year is that worth his future price ? If he's hurt some more, do they spend on him for potential ?

He just doesn't burn it up anyway when he's ok.

Julio Jones was mentioned. If anyone remembers, they spent on him intending to frost their cake for title. Jones is a fine receiver, maybe a great one, and he has Matt Ryan slinging to him, but the Falcons are 43-40 since they spent large on him, and suffer from unreplenished talent the picks could have helped with. They aren't really a contender anymore.

Watkins was intended to be frosting on a cake we didn't bake, I blame Whaley for that, and now we're still stuck hoping he suddenly becomes a game changer in the 4th year of his contract.

That's not real good.

[Joe Fo Sho]

Re: Sammy

Sammy Watkins

Year	Games Played	Receptions	Yards	Touchdowns
1st	16	65	982	6
2nd	13	60	1047	9
3rd	2	6	63	0
Total after 3 years	31	131	2092	15

Julio Jones

Year	Games Played	Receptions	Yards	Touchdowns
1st	13	54	959	8
2nd	16	79	1198	10
3rd	5	41	580	2
Total after 3 years	34	174	2737	22

Julio had 43 catches, 645 yards, and 7 TDs more than Sammy through 3 years. Sammy could build on that if he's able to come back from the IR this year.

[Mace]

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Julio had 43 catches, 645 yards, and 7 TDs more than Sammy through 3 years. Sammy could build on that if he's able to come back from the IR this year.

Sure he could, but he's not going to have Matt Ryan throwing to him in a passing oriented offense.

[Joe Fo Sho]

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Sure he could, but he's not going to have Matt Ryan throwing to him in a passing oriented offense.

I'm not saying he's going to, just that he could. Julio's stats were through 3 full years. Sammy, while on IR, has not completed his 3rd year.

Still, saying Sammy is a bust is pretty silly. He's not worth what we paid for him, but that doesn't automatically mean he's a bust.

[stuckincincy]

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So far Watkins is not looking like he's worth what we spent on him in picks, that's flirting with bust territory even if the injuries aren't his fault. When healthy he doesn't dominate games anyway.

This season is not looking good for him, so next year we already enter into the 4th year of his contract though, and that's extension territory and pickup 5th year option territory.

I don't personally think he's working out so well, but honestly, next year is more significant. I still strongly don't agree with getting him for the price we paid either, but no going back now.

I'm more worried about next year. If he gets in a healthy year is that worth his future price ? If he's hurt some more, do they spend on him for potential ?

He just doesn't burn it up anyway when he's ok.

Julio Jones was mentioned. If anyone remembers, they spent on him intending to frost their cake for title. Jones is a fine receiver, maybe a great one, and he has Matt Ryan slinging to him, but the Falcons are 43-40 since they spent large on him, and suffer from unreplenished talent the picks could have helped with. They aren't really a contender anymore.

Watkins was intended to be frosting on a cake we didn't bake, I blame Whaley for that, and now we're still stuck hoping he suddenly becomes a game changer in the 4th year of his contract.

That's not real good.

Good post.

[Mace]

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I'm not saying he's going to, just that he could. Julio's stats were through 3 full years. Sammy, while on IR, has not completed his 3rd year.

Still, saying Sammy is a bust is pretty silly. He's not worth what we paid for him, but that doesn't automatically mean he's a bust.

He could, but it's unlikely he'll get anywhere near those numbers. Atlanta has on average more than 200 more pass attempts than rushing attempts per season, (Bills rush more than pass), and had for example more than 150 more pass attempts than the Bills.

To me that means he needs to be an impact player and be dominant in games.

His contract isn't up, he could start running the league and validate his draft status (which he's stuck with) sure, but is it really likely ?

That leads back to his unfortunate draft status and what we paid to get him.

At this point, you probably expect more from someone at his spot, which is why I'm saying he's flirting with bust territory. Is he for sure ? Nah, he's got time and he's honestly not the worst of their issues atm anyway. At the least though, when he comes back he needs to start taking over games like the best do. Mean time, he's just another brittle pick of Whaley's.

[Ginger Vitis]

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He was real good in a game? Which one please?

Your memory is terrible... The 2nd half of last season he had 5 games of 100+ yards and 2 of those games were 150+ yards

[stuckincincy]

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Your memory is terrible... The 2nd half of last season he had 5 games of 100+ yards and 2 of those games were 150+ yards

Certainly the BUF OL, OB, and play calling situations are part of it, but I don't think other clubs fret a lot about handling Watkins when they construct their game plans against BUF.

He's not there, yet.

[Guest]

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He could, but it's unlikely he'll get anywhere near those numbers. Atlanta has on average more than 200 more pass attempts than rushing attempts per season, (Bills rush more than pass), and had for example more than 150 more pass attempts than the Bills.

To me that means he needs to be an impact player and be dominant in games.

His contract isn't up, he could start running the league and validate his draft status (which he's stuck with) sure, but is it really likely ?

That leads back to his unfortunate draft status and what we paid to get him.

At this point, you probably expect more from someone at his spot, which is why I'm saying he's flirting with bust territory. Is he for sure ? Nah, he's got time and he's honestly not the worst of their issues atm anyway. At the least though, when he comes back he needs to start taking over games like the best do. Mean time, he's just another brittle pick of Whaley's.

[swiper]

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I've always said that a player can't "suck" if he made an NFL roster.

Walt Patulski
Mike Williams
Eric Flowers
Aaron Maybin
Joe Dufek
Gary Mangini
Dennis Shaw

Need I go on?

[swiper]

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What Watkins needs is a decent QB throwing to him. Then people would stop complaining about the pick. Period.

That is a Whaley failure. When you stick your neck out as a GM, like he did with the Watkins pick, you'd better have a QB that can get him the ball. He didn't and still doesn't. So it was a stupid pick. If Whaley was going to make a big move like that it should have been to get some sort of a QB. Otherwise he should have used the picks he had to fill in other roster needs. And, once again, he could have done that and still gotten Odell Beckham Jr.

[pmoon6]

Re: Sammy

Walt Patulski
Mike Williams
Eric Flowers
Aaron Maybin
Joe Dufek
Gary Mangini
Dennis Shaw

Need I go on?

When you make the list, let me know. Otherwise stick to the hobbies that make you happy and save your negative comments for your fellow competitors on the Bocce Court and the Croquet Field.

[coastal]

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Sammy Watkins should have never been selected in the first place.

no doubt in my mind he's elite.

you don't draft a sidewinder missle and strap it to a cargo plane.

Smart teams realize you you need a fighter jet first.

[Guest]

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Sammy Watkins should have never been selected in the first place.

no doubt in my mind he's elite.

you don't draft a sidewinder missle and strap it to a cargo plane.

Smart teams realize you you need a fighter jet first.

The Bills air force...

[swiper]

Re: Sammy

When you make the list, let me know. Otherwise stick to the hobbies that make you happy and save your negative comments for your fellow competitors on the Bocce Court and the Croquet Field.

Redneck is hurt he gets called out on his stupid post. Tsk. Tsk.