Is Tyrod a Franchise QB?

[Mahdi]

Based on the season thus far, and assuming that what you see is what you get with Tyrod, do the Bills pickup his option for 2017?


At this point this is what I see from Tyrod:

Bad --

1. average/below average short to intermediate accuracy.
2. Poor pocket presence - ability to feel the pocket and maneuver subtly within in it is not there yet
3. Footwork is very inconsistent
4. Cannot throw players open - needs to see large windows in order to trust the throw
5. When throwing over the middle he consistently forces receivers to stop their momentum rather than leading them with throws in order to get more YAC
6. Often locks on to first read and does not come off it
7. Has a general tendency to avoid intermediate middle of the field

Good --

1. Typically a great deep ball thrower
2. Maybe the fastest and most elusive QB since Michael Vick
3. Can make big plays down field when the pocket breaks down and needs to improvise
4. Has decent touch on short throws to RBs out of the backfield.
5. Opens up the run game for RBs with the threat of designed QB runs to the backside
6. Has been dangerous running the option pitch
7. Good leader, great demeanor

Based on this, it would be extremely difficult decision as whether to give Taylor the extension. From a passing game perspective he is clearly holding the offense back. From a running game perspective he provides the Bills with a player that can run like McCoy or take enough attention away from McCoy that he shreds opposing Ds.

The question is then; Is that type of offense enough to make the Bills a contender?

[Pinkerton Security]

If they can consistently run the ball well, he can be an upper level "game manager" to me - his scrambling ability compensates for his lack of pocket presence enough that big running plays can compensate for some negative plays.

Does this make him a "franchise" qb? Lets say this, I think he fits our playing style better than about half of the starting QBs in the league IMO

[Novacane]

No

[Mahdi]

If they can consistently run the ball well, he can be an upper level "game manager" to me - his scrambling ability compensates for his lack of pocket presence enough that big running plays can negate some negative plays.

Does this make him a "franchise" qb? Lets say this, I think he fits our playing style better than about half of the starting QBs in the league IMO

Ok but just asking a fair question, if we had a Derek Carr for example, would the threat of a dangerous passing game not improve our offense on the whole and give us more long-term success?

[Forward_Lateral]

No.

He's a playmaker, yes. He makes some amazing, unbelievable plays, but sooner or later, he's going to have to improve his passing game in order to take the next step.

He's done an amazing job at protecting the football, and not making boneheaded throws. He's made chicken salad out of chicken poop on several occasions. But, he seems to be a one read, then take off with it kind of QB, which won't work for long term NFL success. He did make a few 2nd and 3rd read throws yesterday, which was nice, but he needs to do more of that.

That being said, The Bills could be A LOT worse off at the position. Kaep looked absolutely horrible out there yesterday. If we had to watch a season of that, I'd probably barf.

[BillsOwnAll]

he might not be the best QB in the NFL, but people forget what well end up with if we dont extend him.

[Pinkerton Security]

Ok but just asking a fair question, if we had a Derek Carr for example, would the threat of a dangerous passing game not improve our offense on the whole and give us more long-term success?

Is Derek Carr that much more dangerous as a passer than Tyrod? I personally dont think so. Carr is no doubt a better pure passer but to me he isnt anything other than solid, and Tyrod is a rung below him in passing ability but he makes it up in playmaking ability.

Long term success is another thing - Tyrod sometimes needs to get rid of the ball instead of trying to string out scrambles for a 1 yard gain and taking a big hit. He has a solid build for a smaller guy but hes still not very big and I have my doubts about his ability to stay healthy enough to maintain his scrambling ability, which is his best asset.

To answer your question more directly, I dont think we'd be a better team with Carr, perhaps marginally but I dont see it personally.

[SpikedLemonade]

NO

[Mahdi]

Is Derek Carr that much more dangerous as a passer than Tyrod? I personally dont think so. Carr is no doubt a better pure passer but to me he isnt anything other than solid, and Tyrod is a rung below him in passing ability but he makes it up in playmaking ability.

Long term success is another thing - Tyrod sometimes needs to get rid of the ball instead of trying to string out scrambles for a 1 yard gain and taking a big hit. He has a solid build for a smaller guy but hes still not very big and I have my doubts about his ability to stay healthy enough to maintain his scrambling ability, which is his best asset.

To answer your question more directly, I dont think we'd be a better team with Carr, perhaps marginally but I dont see it personally.

I don't know how much you have seen of Derek Carr but he is way ahead of Taylor as a passer. He can threaten every part of the football field and has pretty good accuracy. On top of that he has shown many times that he can carry a team with his arm having won many games in the 4th quarter for the Raiders in obvious passing situations.

IMO if we had Carr with our current personnel our offense would be dangerous on every possession and we would have a much better shot at making, and winning in the playoffs.

[Mahdi]

he might not be the best QB in the NFL, but people forget what well end up with if we dont extend him.

I agree with this, we don't know what we would end up with at QB if we don't keep Tyrod. But does that mean the Bills should settle for a QB if they KNOW he has limitations that inhibit them from being a contending team?

[Pinkerton Security]

I don't know how much you have seen of Derek Carr but he is way ahead of Taylor as a passer. He can threaten every part of the football field and has pretty good accuracy. On top of that he has shown many times that he can carry a team with his arm having won many games in the 4th quarter for the Raiders in obvious passing situations.

IMO if we had Carr with our current personnel our offense would be dangerous on every possession and we would have a much better shot at making, and winning in the playoffs.

Fair enough, I personally think he is a bit overrated but hes prob a better overall QB than Tyrod.

One COULD argue that Crabtree and Amari make him look good - I doubt Robert Woods, Goodwin, Clay, etc as passing options (right now thats what we have) could hold the jocks of Amari and Crabs

[chris66]

How old is tt. If he loses a step he becomes a very different qb.

[Mahdi]

Fair enough, I personally think he is a bit overrated but hes prob a better overall QB than Tyrod.

One COULD argue that Crabtree and Amari make him look good - I doubt Robert Woods, Goodwin, Clay, etc as passing options (right now thats what we have) could hold the jocks of Amari and Crabs

Amari and Crabtree of course are top quality WRs but if you see the placement Carr has been putting on some of his throws to these guys it's pretty impressive.

[psubills62]

No. To me a franchise QB is someone you can put on a team and build the entire team around them. At this point I see Tyrod as a solid QB who is a solid fit for what Buffalo is doing.

I don't think he's worth 20 million or whatever that option is. But my main question is how much of a dropoff is it to the next QB? No idea who we'd get, but I have a feeling it might be a bigger dropoff than many think.

[Figster]

Yes, and the people discounting Taylors passing abilities need to realize Buffalo is built to run the football and have the best rushing attack in the league.

A good portion of the throws Taylor made in the 49ers game the typical pocket QB gets sacked for a loss.

Franchise QB is what fits the team best and Tyrod Taylor fits the Bill.

The coaches believe Taylors the guy and the players believe Taylors the guy.

Tyrod Taylor is the Bills franchise QB now as long as Rex Ryan is HC IMO.

[Ingtar33]

I think some of the guys in this forum should watch other nfl teams for a few games. the standard level of QB play in the NFL isn't all that much different then what we're getting out of Taylor right now.


Tyrod is a better option then what about 1/2 of the teams in the league have under center. If we let him go, he'd have zero problem finding another starting gig.

Is he an irreplaceable franchise qb?
-nope, but then neither is Eli Manning, and Eli probably will be a hall of famer. Eli's been very replaceable for huge stretches of his career, putting up journeyman numbers at best. Yet he got smoking hot for two playoff runs and since he has those rings no one cares. Look at the season Aaron Rogers had last year and is having again this year. Would you rather Tyrod be replaced by Aaron Rogers (2016 version)? Frankly Tyrod is having a far superior season to Rogers. What about Luck? Luck was poop last year, and he's been poop this year. How about Cam Newton? Cam Newton has been a shell of himself.

Here are some stats for you

T. Taylor: 62.4% Comp, 1,076 yards, 6.52y/a, 8TD, 2INT, 92.4 Rating
A. Rogers: 60.2% Comp, 1,170 yards, 6.46y/a, 10TD, 4INT, 88.4 Rating
R. Willson: 65.9% Comp, 1,334 yards, 7.85y/a, 5TD, 1INT, 97.0 Rating
A. Smith: 67.4% Comp, 1,297 yards, 6.83 y/a, 5TD, 2INT, 91.1 Rating
C. Newton: 57.8% Comp, 1,296 yards, 7.20 y/a, 8TD, 6INT, 81.2 Rating
S. Bradford: 70.4% Comp, 990 yards, 7.92 y/a, 6TD, 0INT, 109.8 Rating

Has Tyrod been lighting it up through the air this year? Of course not. Nor will he ever as long as we can hang 200/game rushing on people. But i'd argue he's "good enough" to break the playoff drought. Maybe not this year, this year has a pretty brutal schedule, but he's good enough to get us to the playoffs. And depending on the team around him probably good enough to win a few playoff games.

Reminder, before Tyrod got to buffalo we were CRYING about how the team wished it had a QB at even the Alex Smith level. I'd say Tyrod has been pretty consistently better than Alex Smith. At least i'd rather have tyrod then alex smith. Think about that. Before Tyrod came to buffalo, our sights were so low for a starting QB we would have settled for Alex Smith because Alex Smith would have been a massive improvement over every single QB we had since Bledsoe. The argument for Alex Smith was basically, that he didn't turn the ball over, and he wouldn't hurt the team. He wouldn't win much for you, but he'd keep you in it. Tyrod at least can make big plays with his arms or legs, and he still doesn't turn the ball over.

I'm not saying you don't draft a QB, Nor am I saying that if Matt Ryan suddenly becomes availible we don't go for him. What I am saying is people need to get off Tyrod's back a bit. He'll never be payton manning or marsha brady. What he can be is Russel Wilson. I can live with Russel Wilson.

[Figster]

I think some of the guys in this forum should watch other nfl teams for a few games. the standard level of QB play in the NFL isn't all that much different then what we're getting out of Taylor right now.


Tyrod is a better option then what about 1/2 of the teams in the league have under center. If we let him go, he'd have zero problem finding another starting gig.

Is he an irreplaceable franchise qb?
-nope, but then neither is Eli Manning, and Eli probably will be a hall of famer. Eli's been very replaceable for huge stretches of his career, putting up journeyman numbers at best. Yet he got smoking hot for two playoff runs and since he has those rings no one cares. Look at the season Aaron Rogers had last year and is having again this year. Would you rather Tyrod be replaced by Aaron Rogers (2016 version)? Frankly Tyrod is having a far superior season to Rogers. What about Luck? Luck was poop last year, and he's been poop this year. How about Cam Newton? Cam Newton has been a shell of himself.

Here are some stats for you

T. Taylor: 62.4% Comp, 1,076 yards, 6.52y/a, 8TD, 2INT, 92.4 Rating
A. Rogers: 60.2% Comp, 1,170 yards, 6.46y/a, 10TD, 4INT, 88.4 Rating
R. Willson: 65.9% Comp, 1,334 yards, 7.85y/a, 5TD, 1INT, 97.0 Rating
A. Smith: 67.4% Comp, 1,297 yards, 6.83 y/a, 5TD, 2INT, 91.1 Rating
C. Newton: 57.8% Comp, 1,296 yards, 7.20 y/a, 8TD, 6INT, 81.2 Rating
S. Bradford: 70.4% Comp, 990 yards, 7.92 y/a, 6TD, 0INT, 109.8 Rating

Has Tyrod been lighting it up through the air this year? Of course not. Nor will he ever as long as we can hang 200/game rushing on people. But i'd argue he's "good enough" to break the playoff drought. Maybe not this year, this year has a pretty brutal schedule, but he's good enough to get us to the playoffs. And depending on the team around him probably good enough to win a few playoff games.

Reminder, before Tyrod got to buffalo we were CRYING about how the team wished it had a QB at even the Alex Smith level. I'd say Tyrod has been pretty consistently better than Alex Smith. At least i'd rather have tyrod then alex smith. Think about that. Before Tyrod came to buffalo, our sights were so low for a starting QB we would have settled for Alex Smith because Alex Smith would have been a massive improvement over every single QB we had since Bledsoe. The argument for Alex Smith was basically, that he didn't turn the ball over, and he wouldn't hurt the team. He wouldn't win much for you, but he'd keep you in it. Tyrod at least can make big plays with his arms or legs, and he still doesn't turn the ball over.

I'm not saying you don't draft a QB, Nor am I saying that if Matt Ryan suddenly becomes availible we don't go for him. What I am saying is people need to get off Tyrod's back a bit. He'll never be payton manning or marsha brady. What he can be is Russel Wilson. I can live with Russel Wilson.

Go watch the Colts and A Luck...

[Ingtar33]

yeah, the colts lost too. Look at luck's career numbers. Tyrod has been a better QB then Luck over the course of his career. Granted with a much smaller sample size. Luck turns the ball over like Eli on a drinking binge. It doesn't mean anything if you can throw for 400 yards a game if your statline has a 1TD and 2INT number next to it. We know all about that junk. That's what Bledsoe gave us. That's pretty much all Eli has given the giants outside the two superbowl seasons.

Last night his play was pretty much responsible for the Colts fading down the stretch and losing.

Is Luck or Eli a better passer than Tyrod? Sure they are. But they're also dumbasses with the football.


ONE OTHER THING: I was pointing out that tyrod is better than 1/2 the starters. there will be plenty of QBs you can point to who are better then tyrod this year. That doesn't change that colts fans are getting enraged with Luck because he's no Payton Manning.

[Novacane]

The question wasn't is Tyrod our best option. It was is Tyrod a franchise QB. There's very few of those. He's not one. He is our best option though. This year and probably after that.

[Joe Fo Sho]

Here are some stats for you

T. Taylor: 62.4% Comp, 1,076 yards, 6.52y/a, 8TD, 2INT, 92.4 Rating
A. Rogers: 60.2% Comp, 1,170 yards, 6.46y/a, 10TD, 4INT, 88.4 Rating
R. Willson: 65.9% Comp, 1,334 yards, 7.85y/a, 5TD, 1INT, 97.0 Rating
A. Smith: 67.4% Comp, 1,297 yards, 6.83 y/a, 5TD, 2INT, 91.1 Rating
C. Newton: 57.8% Comp, 1,296 yards, 7.20 y/a, 8TD, 6INT, 81.2 Rating
S. Bradford: 70.4% Comp, 990 yards, 7.92 y/a, 6TD, 0INT, 109.8 Rating

I like how Tyrod has played 1 more game than every QB you listed and still doesn't have better numbers than these guys. Did you do that on purpose?