Buffalo Bills & Sabres long-term plans, you won't like it

[Skooby]

Team Pegula parked money in Buffalo Sports franchises knowing that the values will rise drastically over the coming years. They could sell the Bills to Toronto investors down the line & the Sabres could head back to Quebec or Hartford. So basically we're a big boy holding station and there's no long-term plan for either franchise to stay in Buffalo. The stadium plan was deferred indefinitely and the talk you hear of 5-6 years is complete bullshjt. Pegula's plan is to minimally redress both venues (some public and his own) keep playing there until it's time to close out his position.

The talk of him being our savior to keep the Bills in town is simply just a cover for his financial goals, which are virtually insatiable (Billions to show for it). There's not going to be a new stadium in Buffalo with him, ever. The other power players in town basically offered him land for free and we know about the decade long tax advantage (which he could probably make decades) on improvements including building and equipment which he is skipping over.

Moral is, don't expect the team to win anymore than it has too again or even get out of it's own way. Selling a party to a bunch of alcoholics is an easy sale at a low price, big city money isn't going to work here. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but I usually try to forewarn of incredibly negative things to come, this being terrible news that I wanted to share. Sorry.

P.S. If they spent all the money on a new hard venue for the Bills, we'd stay in town but you'll never get past simple banter. They wanted to redress both pigs (they did) and stay even between income and box office, letting time appreciate the holdings. Kim Pegula's nest egg, nothing more. Buffalo gets the final shaft, a dying town with a few minor league teams (kinda like what we have now because we can't win sh**).

[WagonCircler]

The talk of him being our savior to keep the Bills in town is simply just a cover for his financial goals,.

Financial goals? He wastes money like a drunken sailor on leave.

And you post like a person with a massive head injury.

Your idiotic ramblings are based on nothing, least of all, logic.

[SpikedLemonade]

Team Pegula parked money in Buffalo Sports franchises knowing that the values will rise drastically over the coming years. They could sell the Bills to Toronto investors down the line & the Sabres could head back to Quebec or Hartford. So basically we're a big boy holding station and there's no long-term plan for either franchise to stay in Buffalo. The stadium plan was deferred indefinitely and the talk you hear of 5-6 years is complete bullshjt. Pegula's plan is to minimally redress both venues (some public and his own) keep playing there until it's time to close out his position.

The talk of him being our savior to keep the Bills in town is simply just a cover for his financial goals, which are virtually insatiable (Billions to show for it). There's not going to be a new stadium in Buffalo with him, ever. The other power players in town basically offered him land for free and we know about the decade long tax advantage (which he could probably make decades) on improvements including building and equipment which he is skipping over.

Moral is, don't expect the team to win anymore than it has too again or even get out of it's own way. Selling a party to a bunch of alcoholics is an easy sale at a low price, big city money isn't going to work here. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but I usually try to forewarn of incredibly negative things to come, this being terrible news that I wanted to share. Sorry.

P.S. If they spent all the money on a new hard venue for the Bills, we'd stay in town but you'll never get past simple banter. They wanted to redress both pigs (they did) and stay even between income and box office, letting time appreciate the holdings. Kim Pegula's nest egg, nothing more. Buffalo gets the final shaft, a dying town with a few minor league teams (kinda like what we have now because we can't win sh**).

Once again Mitch you speak the truth.

[YardRat]

I could see that happening. The teams are going to get sold eventually, almost all of them do at some point, it's just matter of when.

[SpikedLemonade]

I could see that happening. The teams are going to get sold eventually, almost all of them do at some point, it's just matter of when.

The underlying business/economic fundamentals have NOT changed in Buffalo despite some of the comments of the delusioned here.

[coastal]

I could see the bills getting sold off and moved.

The Sabres... sold and stay.

[Skooby]

Want to see a team stay in town for the long-term ?? Spend ~$1.5 Billion on a stadium financed with Pegula's own money, then you'd have a team that stays. They put lipstick on a pig (New Era), selling it as some upgrade. It's an old era and built way too many years ago. It's a poster child of functional obsolescence, pretending like it's nothing but a hold me over is willful blindness. Time to wake up folks, Pegula isn't making the commitments the NFL expected. Toronto would if had a new stadium built or near ready by now, we got a new gift shop. Gee wow, they painted the place. Better food, and a higher price. This is fancy.... yeah not.

[Skooby]

The underlying business/economic fundamentals have NOT changed in Buffalo despite some of the comments of the delusioned here.

It kills the deal unless we give the wealthy Toronto people easier access to the stadium, which would be downtown with a better highway access and modified peace bridge to handle traffic. It's been ~90 years (June) since it was built, boy does it show like that. NY state is broke and wants to be a sanctuary city, that'll drain any remaining resources to inspire the liberals to do nothing (thank you Chuck).

Let's get our head out of the sand and demand a financial commitment from Pegula or don't show up to the games, force his hand to spend. No more excuses, time's near up.

[Dr. Lecter]

Once again Mitch you speak the truth.

That's about as good as saying "hey BillsImpossible, you are spot on here".

[Yasgur's Farm]

Want to see a team stay in town for the long-term ?? Spend ~$1.5 Billion on a stadium financed with Pegula's own money, then you'd have a team that stays. They put lipstick on a pig (New Era), selling it as some upgrade. It's an old era and built way too many years ago. It's a poster child of functional obsolescence, pretending like it's nothing but a hold me over is willful blindness. Time to wake up folks, Pegula isn't making the commitments the NFL expected. Toronto would if had a new stadium built or near ready by now, we got a new gift shop. Gee wow, they painted the place. Better food, and a higher price. This is fancy.... yeah not.

Not enough that he spent $1.5B on a franchise worth $750M, is it?
It's this sort of BS from you skooby that makes you look like an attention starved whore.

[SpikedLemonade]

Want to see a team stay in town for the long-term ?? Spend ~$1.5 Billion on a stadium financed with Pegula's own money, then you'd have a team that stays. They put lipstick on a pig (New Era), selling it as some upgrade. It's an old era and built way too many years ago. It's a poster child of functional obsolescence, pretending like it's nothing but a hold me over is willful blindness. Time to wake up folks, Pegula isn't making the commitments the NFL expected. Toronto would if had a new stadium built or near ready by now, we got a new gift shop. Gee wow, they painted the place. Better food, and a higher price. This is fancy.... yeah not.

The Dumb Polack says he can just dig another hole to make money.

Well, isn't that exactly what The City of Buffalo is -- A HOLE.

[SpikedLemonade]

It kills the deal unless we give the wealthy Toronto people easier access to the stadium, which would be downtown with a better highway access and modified peace bridge to handle traffic. It's been ~90 years (June) since it was built, boy does it show like that. NY state is broke and wants to be a sanctuary city, that'll drain any remaining resources to inspire the liberals to do nothing (thank you Chuck).

Let's get our head out of the sand and demand a financial commitment from Pegula or don't show up to the games, force his hand to spend. No more excuses, time's near up.

So, in other words, Buffalo is NOT a NFL city without Canadians from Toronto.

Oh, the people from Rochester will be crying when they read this unless they are still waiting for the ferry to Toronto.

[SpikedLemonade]

That's about as good as saying "hey BillsImpossible, you are spot on here".

NOT even close.

Hey, the catnip is for the cats dude.

[SpikedLemonade]

Not enough that he spent $1.5B on a franchise worth $750M, is it?
It's this sort of BS from you skooby that makes you look like an attention starved whore.

Mitch may be a *****, but he is dead on right here with his assessment Homer.

[elroy16]

So in the next 5-6 years, the Pegula's are going to sell the Bills and/or Sabres with the Bills moving to Toronto?

10 years?



Seems like a pretty messed up way to make some money. The Simpsons references seem appropriate, this sounds exactly like something Mr. Burns would do.



Yes, I'm aware that the Pegula's have made their money in a way that is ethically debated.

[SpikedLemonade]

So in the next 5-6 years, the Pegula's are going to sell the Bills and/or Sabres with the Bills moving to Toronto?

10 years?



Seems like a pretty messed up way to make some money. The Simpsons references seem appropriate, this sounds exactly like something Mr. Burns would do.



Yes, I'm away that the Pegula's have made their money in a way that is ethically debated.

The Bills will NEVER move to Toronto.

NEVER.

What a hairbrained idea.

What is next -- the Raiders moving from Oakland to Las Vegas?

[elroy16]

The Bills will NEVER move to Toronto.

NEVER.

What a hairbrained idea.

What is next -- the Raiders moving from Oakland to Las Vegas?

Lol, I never said it was never going to happen. I'm just curious to know what you guys think the timeline will be.


I think the last year has taught all of us that anything can happen.

[SpikedLemonade]

I think Toronto will get a NFL team elsewhere (perhaps a new franchise when London gets its team).

I don't see the Bills moving to Toronto.

San Antonio -- Maybe.

[Bill Cody]

It kills the deal unless we give the wealthy Toronto people easier access to the stadium, which would be downtown with a better highway access and modified peace bridge to handle traffic. It's been ~90 years (June) since it was built, boy does it show like that. NY state is broke and wants to be a sanctuary city, that'll drain any remaining resources to inspire the liberals to do nothing (thank you Chuck).

Let's get our head out of the sand and demand a financial commitment from Pegula or don't show up to the games, force his hand to spend. No more excuses, time's near up.

Not sure I'm buying this part. If Buffalo had a new stadium they would have no issue selling out assuming the product was good. Attendance is quite respectable now with a rotten product for 17 years. The NFL is not hard to sell. Russ Brandon is no genius it's just not hard to market a product people want to find a reason to buy, although to be fair the Bills are certainly testing that theory. As for what Peg's plans are I have no idea. Not sure you do either.

[trapezeus]

The two worst posters debating the ten year plan of buffalo. A real must read.

Bills could move. But I think the NFL sees that they don't have a real fanbase at the prices they want.

Sabres are one of the nhl's strongest markets by every measurable metric

And if pegulas are want to bleed the bills of money, why spend money on big contracts and fire coaches with term on their contract.

Sounds likes scooby's friend in the org is a little jaded. Hopefully it's Brandon because he's on the way out