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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    Quote Originally Posted by sukie View Post

    BTW where did our 4th round pick go?
    We spent that to trade up for Reggie Ragland last year.

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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

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    It went to the Bears last year when we moved up to get Ragland.
    Thanks... I forgot.

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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacklingDummy View Post
    I don't care about point value. Only way you win the trade is if the players you select with those picks work out. If you are drafting someone like John McCargo I wouldn't consider that a win.

    If Mahoomes becomes a franchise QB you lost, big time.
    Unless we get a better franchise QB with KC's 2018 first rounder.

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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacklingDummy View Post
    I don't care about point value. Only way you win the trade is if the players you select with those picks work out. If you are drafting someone like John McCargo I wouldn't consider that a win.

    If Mahoomes becomes a franchise QB you lost, big time.
    Lol, maybe you could put a point value system on your level of regret or elation you need to experience later

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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    Yea, come on TD.

    I'm the first one to **** on these guys when they screw up, but let's give credit where credit is due.

    Even if it is the blind squirrel or broken clock scenario.

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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacklingDummy View Post
    I don't care about point value. Only way you win the trade is if the players you select with those picks work out. If you are drafting someone like John McCargo I wouldn't consider that a win.

    If Mahoomes becomes a franchise QB you lost, big time.
    That's a big if, by ALL accounts from the "experts" there wasn't a starting QB in this draft. Mahoomes has a big arm, so what.
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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    Conceptually I like the move. The history of the draft says more picks = better results in the long run, particularly for a team like the Bills that needs to add talent. But obviously it comes down to what we do with the picks. I had my eye on Marshon Lattimore and he was available so that's the obvious comparison right out of the blocks. If Lattimore turns out to be an all pro and White is JAG then we had better absolutely nail the other two picks. If those guys turn out to be similar players we'll probably win the deal from that standpoint. The other guy that we'll need to keep an eye on is the guy KC traded up to get, Mahomes. I liked him but I though he was more of a 2nd round guy but obviously his performance post season has shot his stock way up. If he turns out to be a franchise signal caller KC won't regret what they paid for a minute and we'll wish we had taken him ourselves.

    But I said before the draft my first choice was a trade down so tough for me to dump on the move, especially since we appear to have not taken a bust which is nice and refreshing. If we grab a steal with that 3rd rounder I think everyone will fell a little better about this no matter what your thoughts are now. So let's wait and see.

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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    Quote Originally Posted by kgun12 View Post
    That's a big if, by ALL accounts from the "experts" there wasn't a starting QB in this draft. Mahoomes has a big arm, so what.
    I don't want any QB in this draft.

    All I'm saying is the point value thing is stupid. Trading down is stupid. Losers trade down.

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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacklingDummy View Post

    Trading down is stupid. Losers trade down.
    New England does it every year.

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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacklingDummy View Post
    Losers trade down.
    New England has traded down and stockpiled picks WAY more than any other team I can think of offhand. Belichick is famous for that, among other things. What he's not famous for is losing...
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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    I get tired of hearing "Andy Reid" is smarter then we are...yea maybe however many "smarter" people wanted Ryan Leaf...

    In the end its all a crapshoot...
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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacklingDummy View Post
    I don't want any QB in this draft.

    All I'm saying is the point value thing is stupid. Trading down is stupid. Losers trade down.
    Trading down is not necessarily stupid. If losers trade down, then do winners trade up? Did we win the Watkins trade? Or the Losman Trade?

    Looking at each trade objectively without making blanket statements is probably the right thing to do.

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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    It doesn't quite sit right with me. I get that the point values work out, but still feels like - based on other trades and the value that was sitting there - we could have gotten more for it. I also didn't want to trade that far down, so we could still get a good prospect like Malik Hooker (he's been my guy, but using as an example for now).
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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    Quote Originally Posted by feldspar View Post
    New England has traded down and stockpiled picks WAY more than any other team I can think of offhand. Belichick is famous for that, among other things. What he's not famous for is losing...
    Recently, Cleveland has done the best job of acquiring draft picks. They've yet to see any improvement from it, though. I'm rooting for them, it's the biggest and most drastic rebuild I've ever seen. Time will tell.

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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacklingDummy View Post
    Trading down is stupid. Losers trade down.
    well then San Francisco must be a bunch of idiots. They moved down 1 slot, took the player they were targeting anyway and picked up a 3rd and a 4th this year and a 3rd next year. How dumb is that?

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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacklingDummy View Post
    I don't want any QB in this draft.

    All I'm saying is the point value thing is stupid. Trading down is stupid. Losers trade down.
    I agree on the QB but not the trade down comment. Everyone on this site who hates everything about what the Bills do ALWAYS talk about the greatness of the Pats and they have built the greatest franchise ever moving down and accumulating picks.

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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    Cleveland did a great job of moving down and stock piling pick and on paper with their stock pile have had a fantastic draft! Even if the don't have another pick so far they are winning!

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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Historian View Post
    New England does it every year.
    Actually NE trades up in the 1st round more than it trades down.

    2001: Stayed and drafted Richard Seymour
    2002: Traded up with Washington and drafted Daniel Graham
    2003: Some how got Balt. pick, ahead of their own, drafted Vince Wolfork
    2004: Traded up with Washington and drafted Ty Warren
    2005: Stayd put, Logn Mankins
    2006: stayed put, Lawrence Maroney
    2007: Traded up with Seattle, drafted Brandon Merriweather, other pick Traded to SF who took Joe Staley
    2008: Traded up with NO and drafted Jerod Mayo, other pick Forfieted for Spygate
    2009: Traded back twice, Baltimore selected Michael Oher, GB selected Clay Matthews
    2010: Not sure what went on here, all I know the trades turned into Denver D. Thomas, Dallas Dez Bryant, NE Devon McCourty and Rob Gronkowski
    2011: Traded Richard Seymour for Oaklands 1st, traded their own first for NO 2nd and 1st
    2012: Traded up twice, once with Cincy (Chandler Jones) and with Denver (Donte Hightower)
    2013: Traded back
    2014: stayed
    2015: stayed
    2016: Forfited
    2017: Traded for Cooks

    Whatever NE does turns to gold for all involved. I hate (jealous) them.

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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Historian View Post
    New England does it every year.
    So does Seattle.

    If winning Super Bowls makes us a loser, than I'm all in!

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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Cody View Post
    well then San Francisco must be a bunch of idiots. They moved down 1 slot, took the player they were targeting anyway and picked up a 3rd and a 4th this year and a 3rd next year. How dumb is that?
    Well that's because the Bears are just as dysfunctional as the Bills.

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