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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    Quote Originally Posted by HHURRICANE View Post
    "My guess" is that if your getting a new GM he most likely wants to go to a team that has draft picks and cap room to start his new job with.

    White is a smart, coaches dream, kind of player. You don't get to wear 18 at LSU by chance.
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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Klaista2k View Post
    Yeah that makes sense.

    I just hope we'll have enough ammo to get into the top 5 to land of these quarterbacks.
    I have no idea why people think they'll use a no. 1 pick on a QB next year.

    That's not the way this team swings.

    By December next year, KW will announce his retirement, or the FS McD brought in won't work out, or Ragland won't be fast enough to fit the scheme, or another of a few dozen variations on the same theme...

    And then the usual ..."we have to fix the defense first", "defense wins championships", "we have greater needs" and "the QB class will be better next year" cliches being floated around. Hell, this is a team that used its past 5 draft picks to "fix" a defense that was a top 5 D in the league (that now seems eons ago).

    The same scene in the same play has been going on wayyyy too long to think different.

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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    The past 3 times the Bills had 2 first round picks they selected...

    2009
    Aaron Maybin
    Eric Wood

    2006
    Donte Hitner
    John McCargo

    2004
    Lee Evans
    JP Losman

    Now doesn't that just make you warm and fuzzy about having 2 first rounders?

    Come to think of it has anyone ever hit on 2 first rounders in the same draft?

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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    It is a solid pick at 27 to get White.

    On top of that, in this draft the talent drop off from 10 to 27 is not that much. If the rumor was true that they were going to take Humphrey at 10 then I would much rather get the extra pick and take White at 27.

    White seems to be the better athlete anyway with better ball skills.

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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    Great trade. If the Bills are somehow good next year and don't get a high pick. They can use this 1st round pick to move up and draft their quarterback of the future.

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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    Wish we had gotten Mahomes... or Watson... or Jamal Adams... or Ruben Foster. But whatevs... White is a solid player.

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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    This draft is pretty deep at some key positions............I don't know how anyone can say it's a huge drop off in talent from the 10th pick to the 27th pick. Mel Kiper was just on Mike & Mike stating that there are guys that will be selected in the 2nd round that are better then the guys selected in the 1st round at their position.
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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    We missed out on Hooker and Howard in my I want with pick 10 scenario. Yet at the end of the day we weren't one player away from turning it around this year so think it was a solid move. I mean people think the Chiefs pick is going to be low this year, but look at last year if you were to tell me at this time last year the Panthers would be drafting in the top 10 of the this year's draft I would have never believed you.

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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    Quote Originally Posted by MJones83 View Post
    I think we could have/should have squeezed one more pick out of them. At least a 4th this year or a 3rd next.
    Actually, the Bills got good value in this trade. Check out the NFL Draft Value Chart. Each pick is assigned a certain amount of points.

    http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

    Bills #10 pick = 1,300 points

    Chiefs #27 pick = 680 points
    Chiefs #91 pick = 136 points
    Chiefs 2018 1st round pick = 590 points (at the very minimum)

    So, do the math: 680 + 136 + 590 = 1,406

    Instead of picking at #10 (with a value of 1,300), the Bills traded down and got 1,406 points of value at the very minimum.

    So even if the Chiefs go on to win the Super Bowl and the Bills get the last pick in the 1st round next year, they still got more value than the Chiefs in this trade. Why? Because 1,406 > 1,300. Something tells me the Chiefs won't win the Super Bowl this year, so I'd bet our value will be greater than that.

    Which players get picked is a separate mater entirely...but now we have three picks instead of one.
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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    We were essentially able to drop down 17 spots and...

    * Get a rock solid player that replaces our #1 corner
    * Add another player in the 3rd that will contribute this year
    * Add an additional 1st rounder next year to move for a franchise QB if needed, or fill in more holes.

    This was a no brainer. Word is that they were set to pick Lattimore if they stayed at 10, so getting a player that some ranked just behind him at that position while adding another potential starter this season in the process is huge for as many holes as this team has. You have to make that deal.

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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    I really like the trade a lot. This team needs so much that getting two more picks can be huge. I feel mixed about the pick of White. He sounds like a solid prospect in a position of need but feel that this draft if deep in solid DBs. I was kind of hoping that they would drafted one of the OTs or even Dalvin Cook. For some reason the thought of Shady and Cook would have been really cool to have.

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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    Compensation was fine. The 3rd is nice as that could be a starter. We could come out with 4 starters this year 1, 2 and 2-3's.

    We might have got a 4th and 7th instead of a 3rd but Bills are probably thinking starter.
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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jry44 View Post
    We were essentially able to drop down 17 spots and...

    * Get a rock solid player that replaces our #1 corner
    * Add another player in the 3rd that will contribute this year
    * Add an additional 1st rounder next year to move for a franchise QB if needed, or fill in more holes.

    This was a no brainer. Word is that they were set to pick Lattimore if they stayed at 10, so getting a player that some ranked just behind him at that position while adding another potential starter this season in the process is huge for as many holes as this team has. You have to make that deal.
    And according to the talking heads he's a great punt returner too.

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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    Quote Originally Posted by MJones83 View Post
    I think we could have/should have squeezed one more pick out of them. At least a 4th this year or a 3rd next.
    Bills 10th = 1300
    KC's 27th = 680
    = 620
    KC's 3rd = 310

    At worst in the Chiefs win the SB they 32nd pick is worth 590 so we won the trade!

    As far as White's pick, I think they really thought Peppers would be there but they are REALLY happy with White!
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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Historian View Post
    And according to the talking heads he's a great punt returner too.
    Another need.

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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    Great move by whoever was in charge of it. We are going to trade up next year for USC Sam.

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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    Quote Originally Posted by kgun12 View Post
    Bills 10th = 1300
    KC's 27th = 680
    = 620
    KC's 3rd = 310

    At worst in the Chiefs win the SB they 32nd pick is worth 590 so we won the trade!

    As far as White's pick, I think they really thought Peppers would be there but they are REALLY happy with White!
    I don't care about point value. Only way you win the trade is if the players you select with those picks work out. If you are drafting someone like John McCargo I wouldn't consider that a win.

    If Mahoomes becomes a franchise QB you lost, big time.
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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Swiper View Post
    Meanwhile we had to watch the Jets walk away with Jamal Adams.
    There were only 14-15 players that had 1st round grades in this draft and as far as having to watch the Jets comment, really dumb even if we stayed at 10 we couldn't have stopped that.

    Besides it wouldn't matter who they picked you and several others wouldn't have been happy.

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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    I loved the trade. Extra picks and a player that won't have top 10 pick pressure on him.

    BTW where did our 4th round pick go?

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    Re: Thoughts on the trade with KC?

    Quote Originally Posted by sukie View Post
    I loved the trade. Extra picks and a player that won't have top 10 pick pressure on him.

    BTW where did our 4th round pick go?
    It went to the Bears last year when we moved up to get Ragland.

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