Bills Should Sign Kaepernick...

[LarryBoy]

Well if there are repercussions for free speech then it isn't really free.

Once again, the government largely leaves us alone when it comes to speech. But the reason the constitutional version of free speech exists is to protect controversial speech. We've taken that away from each other.

You have the freedom to go tell your boss hes an ass...lemme know how that works out...repercussions.

[Joe Fo Sho]

So, please explain to me how software companies make money without selling to the general public. I'd really like to know.

Enterprise software sells to big business. Have you ever used Oracle at home? It's a business valued at over $100 billion, I use it at work (and it's a piece of crap, BTW). If the vice president of product development was schooling his employees about how society needs to change, I bet it wouldn't affect his job security, as long as his performance didn't decrease.

Even if it was the software manager of Microsoft Word, he could say what he wanted at work and 99.999% of his users would have no idea...because he isn't in the eye of the public.

[OpIv37]

Enterprise software sells to big business. Have you ever used Oracle at home? It's a business valued at over $100 billion, I use it at work (and it's a piece of crap, BTW). If the vice president of product development was schooling his employees about how society needs to change, I bet it wouldn't affect his job security, as long as his performance didn't decrease.

Even if it was the software manager of Microsoft Word, he could say what he wanted at work and 99.999% of his users would have no idea...because he isn't in the eye of the public.

ok, but that also means he has a tiny fraction of the audience Kap has and his message won't go nearly as far or do nearly as much good.

So the message is now "say what you want as long as no one is listening"

[Joe Fo Sho]

ok, but that also means he has a tiny fraction of the audience Kap has and his message won't go nearly as far or do nearly as much good.

So the message is now "say what you want as long as no one is listening"

If you want to make a change in the world, then focus on making a change in the world. If you want to play football, play football. If you want to be a martyr, don't get mad when you become a martyr.

I still think that no one is upset about what Kaepernick is saying, they just don't like how he went about voicing it. Say whatever you want off the field. He would have been better served focusing on football, actually being good at it, get a following behind him, creating a foundation and used all the extra money he would have made to help his cause. He went about making a change in a terrible way, and he is feeling the effects of that.

[OpIv37]

If you want to make a change in the world, then focus on making a change in the world. If you want to play football, play football. If you want to be a martyr, don't get mad when you become a martyr.

I still think that no one is upset about what Kaepernick is saying, they just don't like how he went about voicing it. Say whatever you want off the field. He would have been better served focusing on football, actually being good at it, get a following behind him, creating a foundation and used all the extra money he would have made to help his cause. He went about making a change in a terrible way, and he is feeling the effects of that.

I don't know why you assume he wanted to be a martyr just because he wanted to get a message out.

[Joe Fo Sho]

I don't know why you assume he wanted to be a martyr just because he wanted to get a message out.

Ok, take that sentence out.

[OpIv37]

Ok, take that sentence out.

So then you're shocked that a young kid with tons of fame and money went about something the wrong way? Well, that's certainly never happened before....

[Joe Fo Sho]

So then you're shocked that a young kid with tons of fame and money went about something the wrong way? Well, that's certainly never happened before....

I am neither shocked, amused, happy, appalled, or in any way angry about how Colin Kaepernick has done anything in his life. What I do think, is that a 'young kid' whose 30th birthday is in 3 months should be held accountable for his actions. How awful of me.

[OpIv37]

I am neither shocked, amused, happy, appalled, or in any way angry about how Colin Kaepernick has done anything in his life. What I do think, is that a 'young kid' whose 30th birthday is in 3 months should be held accountable for his actions. How awful of me.

What actions? Who died? Who got hurt? Whose property got damaged?

A bunch of right-wing My Best Friends got their panties in a bunch. That's it.

[DraftBoy]

The only reason why I brought up the US is because our government (mostly) gives us freedom of speech.

But you're misrepresenting what free speech is.

[DraftBoy]

Well if there are repercussions for free speech then it isn't really free.

That's complete crap and you know it. Freedom must be able to cut both ways.

[YardRat]

So how is everybody feeling about the Google engineer and his manifesto today?

[DraftBoy]

So how is everybody feeling about the Google engineer and his manifesto today?

The same as always.

[JoeMama]

So how is everybody feeling about the Google engineer and his manifesto today?

Exactly the same way I feel about Kaep.

If you use your workplace as a platform to make political statements, consequences come with the territory.

[feldspar]

So how is everybody feeling about the Google engineer and his manifesto today?

Explain...

[Joe Fo Sho]

What actions? Who died? Who got hurt? Whose property got damaged?

A bunch of right-wing My Best Friends got their panties in a bunch. That's it.

Everyone who cried when he was kneeling is a My Best Friend, and everyone who wants to force an NFL team to hire him is a My Best Friend. This entire situation is filled with My Best Friends. They're all friggin' 10-ply, bud.

[JoeMama]

Everyone who cried when he was kneeling is a My Best Friend, and everyone who wants to force an NFL team to hire him is a My Best Friend. This entire situation is filled with My Best Friends. They're all friggin' 10-ply, bud.

Isn't it great not being easily offended by broad social statements and events?

Kaep takes a knee during the anthem. Don't care.

Kaep can't find a new team. Don't care.

[Joe Fo Sho]

Isn't it great not being easily offended by broad social statements and events?

Kaep takes a knee during the anthem. Don't care.

Kaep can't find a new team. Don't care.

Ha, yeah it's not bad.

[SpikedLemonade]

[WagonCircler]

So how is everybody feeling about the Google engineer and his manifesto today?

There's a significant difference between the actions of the Google engineer and those of Kaepernick. The "Google Manifesto" was an internal memo, written to affect change within an organization. Kaepernick's actions were a public stunt to protest a fairy tale that never happened, and in an extremely public forum where it was totally out of place.

That being said, I agree with everything the Google engineer said, but I also think Google has every right to fire him. While I think their PC agenda is nonsense based on complete BS, it's their right to control their own corporate culture, misguided as it may be.