Am I missing something? Tolbert has had a pretty long career with good production. Why are we 'hoping' he can do the job? Tolbert is a known quantity and has been pretty good for years. I agree that losing Gillislee was a bit of a shock but that doesn't diminish the quality of Tolbert.Originally Posted by OpIv37
Once again... why take the risk? We had a guy that we know worked and we ditched him over $3 million in cap to go with a guy who may work. Even if you say Tolbert should work based on his previous performance, there is still an element of doubt.
We're $8.2 million under the cap so it's not like we needed the space. If we used that money to lock a guy up or sign a quality FA, you could probably convince me that it's worth the risk. Instead, we took the risk to make a rich guy slightly richer without doing anything to improve the team.
I can agree with both sides.
Gillislee is younger, was proven (J. Williams for that matter was younger, had upside), there's a reasonable argument there not to open more holes and go with older temps.
On the other hand, RB's are not hard to find, and Tolbert showed some impressive acceleration I didn't expect from him, ability to run with power (5'9, 243, Gillislee is 5'11, 218), and is noted for his character (significant in a transition year).
My thought is that McDermott, going forward wants thunder and lightning from his backfield. McCoy even ran with more purposeful authority without much affecting his style. I think the backfield is transitional atm.
How do you know Gillislee had better numbers when the only thing you can compare it with to determine that hasn't even happened yet?
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You can't use $$$$ as your argument. It's not an assumption to say you would cry if we paid him that much because you've always argued rbs are a dime a dozen. Stop arguing with yourself
Both are comparable backs, so I do not think that there is a talent dropoff between the two.
I liked Gillislee because he always ran North and South, and hit the holes very quickly.
I like Tolbert because he's a big dude who can bowl people over. Has speed too. Reminds me of Jones-Drew a little.
Time will tell.
Yup. And no one gave a **** about Gillislee OR Hogan until the Cheaters decided to sniff them out. Then it became "oh, they should have given these JAGs a 2nd rounder tender, what idiots!"
Why bother drafting "may work" players. Just trade draft away for proven players?
Can someone explain to me why Spartacus is using "we" in reference to Bills fans?
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Cuz I've been a Bills fan for 55 years.
How long is it for you? I bet it was JP Losman that made you a Bills fan, right? What's that make it? 12 whole years for you?
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Another solid game for Gillislee.
18 attempts, 69 yds, 1 td.
Historian (09-18-2017)
I think what irks Bills fans the most, is that we finally find a diamond in the rough, and he gets poached from us....by NE no less.
You watch. Poyter will make the pro bowl and somebody will poach him too...or they'll make the Bills an offer they can't refuse, lol.
Thurmal (09-18-2017)
vs. Texans 12 carries 31 yards 2.6 ypc 0 tds.
vs. Panthers 12 carries 49 yards 4.1 ypc 0 tds.
For the year 57 carries, 194 yards, 3.2 ypc, 4 tds.
Has the hair-pulling and hand-wringing calmed down the last couple of weeks, or is it just me?
For the record, Gillie's YPC for his career are Miami 3.5...Buffalo 5.7...Buffalo 5.7...New England 3.4. Hmmmmmm......
Would still take him over Tolbert.
Once again, who do we have that's better?
Tolbert has a slightly better average- 3.5- but fewer yards overall (119) and only a single TD. Granted, he's had fewer touches (34 vs 57), but he's not gonna get 3 TD's in his next 23 carries.
Mostly, I think it boiled down to money. Buffalo was in a tight cap situation and couldn't match what the Patriots were offering for a backup.
I've made up my mind. Don't confuse me with the facts.
I'm the most reasonable poster here. If you don't agree, I'll be forced to have a hissy fit.
Is Tolbert really worse?
Probably not, but then he could...we'll see. What significance to their respective teams do Gillie's 4 TDs and Tolbert's 1 TD carry?Tolbert has a slightly better average- 3.5- but fewer yards overall (119) and only a single TD. Granted, he's had fewer touches (34 vs 57), but he's not gonna get 3 TD's in his next 23 carries.
Gillie's stats for the first four games last season were 9 carries, 50 yards, 0 tds. Is Tolbert doing better or worse than that?
Well, last year was last year. We had a guy that was working. We let him go help a div rival so we could roll the dice on an unknown who has been at best equal so far. Once again, why take the risk that Tolbert won't work out? Why take the risk that Gilleslie will help the Pats? To save a couple million that we didn't do anything with? It's still an unnecessary risk.
In Cheaterland the shine is starting to come off of Gillislee. He's being played like a starter but he's a backup RB.
You need to make up your mind what parameters you want to use to support your argument other than 'because I said so'. Gillislee's performance this season for the Patriots really isn't any better than Tolbert's for the Bills, unless '4-1 in TD's' is the only factor you'll consider. Also, Gillislee's performance over the first four games of last season for the Bills is much worse than Tolbert's first four games for the Bills this season, but apparently the counter for that is 'no fair, that doesn't count'. Why not? The only thing left you have to possibly hang your hat on is if Gillislee's overall performance over the 2016 season is better than Tolbert's overall 2017, and there is no way for you to know that at this time with 75% of the season left to play.
Tolbert is working.We had a guy that was working.
Tolbert is not an unknown. You'd have a better argument for Gilmore and/or Darby vs Tre' White if you want to argue known vs unknown.We let him go help a div rival so we could roll the dice on an unknown who has been at best equal so far.
After 17 seasons of no playoffs is there such a thing as an unnecessary risk?Once again, why take the risk that Tolbert won't work out? Why take the risk that Gilleslie will help the Pats? To save a couple million that we didn't do anything with? It's still an unnecessary risk.
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