Our offense was run oriented last year, when teams put 8 in the box we optioned the 8th defender away and still kept running the ball well. We don't do that this year, so this run scheme is essentially garbage, this is why it's Dennison's fault. He can't scheme up the run game like the previous coaches. Not much else to say.Originally Posted by Mr. Pink
It's hard to call a good game when your QB sucks.
And yet Anthony Lynn could do it using Greg Roman's plays.
Really dude? Who gives a **** what he did in college? Should I make a list of run first QB's that had good college stats and flopped in the NFL? Several of them won the heisman. TT will NEVER win in the NFL. Never! Someday maybe you will get it!
DVOA = 'Yeah, we suck, but let's play with the numbers a little bit to make us feel a little better'.
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Anyone can use a statistic that supports their position while ignoring some obvious truths.
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um...he's talking about a football outsiders stat...
Defensive Value over average
Buffalo was ranked 9th in 2015 and 10th in 2016
DVOA is a method of evaluating teams, units, or players. It takes every single play during the NFL season and compares each one to a league-average baseline based on situation. DVOA measures not just yardage, but yardage towards a first down: Five yards on third-and-4 are worth more than five yards on first-and-10 and much more than five yards on third-and-12. Red zone plays are worth more than other plays. Performance is also adjusted for the quality of the opponent. DVOA is a percentage, so a team with a DVOA of 10.0% is 10 percent better than the average team, and a quarterback with a DVOA of -20.0% is 20 percent worse than the average quarterback. Because DVOA measures scoring, defenses are better when they are negative. For more detail, read below.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/info/methods
Mouldsie (09-17-2017)
Let me know when you can refute it.
here's another...this is the first time when Taylor started where the Bills O was shut out of the endzone.
29 games.
What are you talking about? I never brought up college football, I brought up a Bills stat from the last two seasons, what are you on about?
Try to keep up, you're slower than Tyrod is when scanning the field.
Buffalo's rushing DVOA was ranked #1 last season, their passing DVOA was ranked 18th. As far as QB's rushing, Taylor's DVOA for rushing was 18th among QB's. So I would have to say that McCoy (#2 RB)/Gillislee (#1 RB) are who led the Bills to a top 10 DVOA, not Tyrod Taylor.
Arm of Harm (09-17-2017)
You do know the previous OC took a HC job........we had no choice but to change the offense.
You can call me streetkings
Nope. Bills could have hired ALynn. They decided to change their best plays from last year.Sean's staff is WORSE than Rex's on offense.
Tbh, I think I need to see the all 22 this week, before going apesh1t about this loss. I want to see if receivers were getting open or not. The Panthers do have a good D, so I don't want to assume anything just yet.
I will say that the play calling was highly unimpressive, and unimaginative, on Offense.
The O-line at times, was awful. In the run game, I think there's a legitimate case to be made for reverting to last years blocking schemes, as the guys we have, can make those work better. Get rid of Mills, and you might be able to run the zone schemes, and as he's a liability in pass protection anyway, then just the one change may be enough.
Maybe the worst aspect of the Offense, was the apparent lack of adjustments made to it for the 2nd half.
I've got a better idea. It's not a great idea. But it's better than this. Go get Chan Gailey. He who knew how to mix plays, use misdirection, draw plays and screens. He made CJ Spiller look good!
It didn't help the QB that the o-line gave him no room in the pocket. The o-line is terrible.
That same oline finished top 10 in points last year. We have a coaching downgrade on offense.
If I'm the new guy hired to take over a unit that scored a lot of points, I spend a lot of time looking at what worked and try to keep most of that stuff. We had to change who ran it, but there is no rule saying we had overhaul everything.
Peterman showed in preseason that a lot of plays are missed when TT is on the field.
Dennison's offensive scheme is designed around a QB who's good at passing the ball. Whereas Roman's scheme appears to have been designed around a "running back who can throw" type QB.
I think that the coaching staff was clear from the beginning, that they would do their best to teach the QBs to fit Dennison's scheme.
So you could point to the shortcomings of Dennison's play calling, and that's perfectly fair. But it's also reasonable to point out that the Bills' starting quarterback is not at all a good fit for Dennison's offense. Tyrod is weak in those areas where Dennison's offense most prizes excellence. While I'm not sold on Peterman as the long-term answer, he clearly is a much better fit for Dennison's offense than Tyrod. I don't anticipate a change coming soon. It's difficult to bench a veteran QB, with a two year track record of reasonable accomplishment, in favor of a 5th round rookie. Even when the rookie is better.
Well....Sullivan pointed out today, they scored an avg of 19.6 or something on the road where Taylor struggled. They scored a lot of points against teams when they could run and the teams were susceptible to it. When teams made us pass, and there are too many games where you have to, we weren't any good. Next level teams put up points quick and if you want to be one you have to as well.
Lynn didn't particularly do any better making Taylor pass, and Taylor didn't do any better when he had to.
I don't know if Dennison will work out or not, but he's essentially installing an offense for a future QB to step into. Everyone else will know it. The running game commitment just isn't effective in a shootout, or against good teams who stack the box, you still have to come up with passing plays and yards.
But stick with what works ? Problem is, teams have a year of tape to know how to counter it, and if you're that one dimensional you have a short shelf life. Leading the league in rushing doesn't really take you far though it seems nice.
Win now ! We can't because we have a QB who doesn't seem capable of throwing effectively, though he throws fine for useless percentage.
This team just isn't/wasn't as close as some people want to believe. Would Roman's offense have run all over Carolina ? I really don't think so, they were prepared for a running game.
The offense has to change to get to the next level, and Taylor isn't looking up to the throwing part of it. Not impressed by Dennison's game plan, but not impressed either by who he has to run it.
Scheme to who you have ? I'd always say that's the mark of a great coach. But in this case, I think they mean to install a system because they know who they have isn't going to cut it and will be replaced by a QB ahead. Peterson ? I don't know. But someone who can pass better. That's not Taylor and this obviously isn't the year the eternally hopeful plan comes together. May as well get used to it.
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