Who more at fault for this play's failure ??

[Mouldsie]

Sidenote, if he runs to the pylon instead of the sideline, that pass hits him in stride. Draw a line from the 15 to the pylon. That ball would have hit him in the fing numbers. By turning it too shallow he made the catch too hard on himself. FURTHERMORE, that pass is leaving Taylor's hand right when he's making his cut. Taylor didn't miss throw that. he's throwing to the hole in the zone. Jones just flattened the route too much. Hate Taylor all you need to. but this one wasn't his bad.

Throwing to and running the route to the open hole in the zone (that also allows for a TD instead of landing out of bounds) is key. Finally watched it again and this is spot on.

[Mouldsie]

Not for nothing, but your argument has convinced 4 people out of 37. So it doesn't sound like your argument is better than anyone else's.

You could even say that so far, you haven't presented a compelling argument for why they're wrong.

Credibility goes down with **** posts like this. People vote before they read the thread for one thing.... for another most people are wrong about most things most of the time, so.

[ICRockets]

most people are wrong about most things most of the time, so.

God Bless America!








....**** America.

[Mouldsie]

God Bless America!








....**** America.

eh, its a global phenomenon and no person is exempt. None of us know the extent of things we dont know. I'm gonna go do mushrooms now

[justasportsfan]

According to Dennison, it was both their fault. Good answer.

[Cali512]

The more I see the play I actually blame Zay (I voted Tyrod in the poll initially). I think if Zay widens his cut toward the corner of the pylon he catches the ball in stride and has time to fight for a TD. But idk, the ball was already in the air before zay made his cut

[Joe Fo Sho]

Credibility goes down with **** posts like this. People vote before they read the thread for one thing.... for another most people are wrong about most things most of the time, so.

*most people agree with you* - See, I must be right

*most people disagree with you* - People are idiots


Got it.

[ICRockets]

Got it.

(I'm pretty sure he doesn't, guys)

[imbondz]

The point being, it hit Jones flat in his two palms, he got both hands on that ball. Other WRs around the league were making just as difficult catches all weekend long. Now of course Jones did make it harder on himself by flattening the route too much, but in reality the ball was still VERY VERY catchable. Tough? sure. But it's the NFL, that's a catch a WR has to make.

Sidenote, if he runs to the pylon instead of the sideline, that pass hits him in stride. Draw a line from the 15 to the pylon. That ball would have hit him in the fing numbers. By turning it too shallow he made the catch too hard on himself. FURTHERMORE, that pass is leaving Taylor's hand right when he's making his cut. Taylor didn't miss throw that. he's throwing to the hole in the zone. Jones just flattened the route too much. Hate Taylor all you need to. but this one wasn't his bad.

Agree. I've watched the throw a bunch trying to blame TT but Jones runs an awkward route. I think the defender hitting him at the 19-20 yd line slowed him down a split sec, which caused him to not be able to turn around in time. He may have been another half yard down the field and wouldn't have had to stretch as much to make the catch but who knows.

[DraftBoy]

1--The throw was inaccurate.
2--Asking Tyrod to adjust a little bit and throw the ball more to the right spot is no different than asking Zay to adjust a little bit and straighten the route.
2a--Even if the answer were to solely tell Zay to slightly adjust his route the pass would still have been inaccurate.
3--One of the things nobody is mentioning is those on the 'It's Zay's fault' side of the discussion are either forgetting or unaware that there are reads that a wide receiver makes that determines where/how he runs his rout.
4--That's a 'spot' throw, not a timing throw, and the read is to the flag and the outside of the route, not the inside.

All that being said, I would bet the discussion at practice is very different than on message boards...Zay is being to told to straighten the route by McGeoghan and Taylor is being told throw the ball more to the flag/outside by Culley.

It happened, it's over, address the play with everybody and move on, hope it works next time we need to see it.

Disagree, not every route has a read for the WR and if you believe that route had a read then what was Jones reading when he decided to cut it flat?

[ICRockets]

Disagree, not every route has a read for the WR and if you believe that route had a read then what was Jones reading when he decided to cut it flat?

And maybe I'm wrong on this, but if it's a 'spot' throw then isn't THAT the read?

[Mouldsie]

*most people agree with you* - See, I must be right

If I ever use the argument, shoot me.

[DraftBoy]

And maybe I'm wrong on this, but if it's a 'spot' throw then isn't THAT the read?

Not sure I'd call it a spot throw or timing, I think it can be argued both ways. But the WR read, at least imo is supposed to be the location of the ball.

[Skooby]

Tyrod had 125 yards, weigh that in to who messed up.

[Mouldsie]

Tyrod had 125 yards, weigh that in to who messed up.

This sentence makes no sense in a number of ways, you do realize that right? Like you're just trolling us?

[Mouldsie]

Agree. I've watched the throw a bunch trying to blame TT but Jones runs an awkward route. I think the defender hitting him at the 19-20 yd line slowed him down a split sec, which caused him to not be able to turn around in time. He may have been another half yard down the field and wouldn't have had to stretch as much to make the catch but who knows.

One thing we do know is that Nathan Peterman would have summoned God to move the ball while it was still in the air to wherever Zay Jones ended up. Why the coaching staff doesn't start the next coming of Tom Brady, but with Jesus-like powers, is beyond me.

[Skooby]

This sentence makes no sense in a number of ways, you do realize that right? Like you're just trolling us?

Tyrod did so well before that throw so he deserves the benefit of the doubt ?? He's playing like S & you guys blame the WR, gimme me a break man and get a grip.

[Mouldsie]

Tyrod did so well before that throw so he deserves the benefit of the doubt ?? He's playing like S & you guys blame the WR, gimme me a break man and get a grip.

Ok yes, trolling. Or having a conversation with yourself. Either way

[Skooby]

Ok yes, trolling. Or having a conversation with yourself. Either way

86% of the people agree with me above so you're standing in a small group, goodluck.

[ICRockets]

86% of the people agree with me above so you're standing in a small group, goodluck.

Tyrod did so well before that throw so he deserves the benefit of the doubt ?? He's playing like S & you guys blame the WR, gimme me a break man and get a grip.

So your arguments are "This coin has been 'tails' 7 times in a row, so obviously it's going to be 'tails' again" and "More people agree with me" while ours are "Look at these details of the play that we're highlighting". And you think your arguments are stronger?