Best QB of All Time

[Mouldsie]

I got into a Twitter debate recently over Brady vs Rodgers for the GOAT.

I think it's Rodgers.
To me, wins and Super Bowl's are not simply and individual feat so I don't take the "rings" explanation as definitive evidence of Brady being automatic #1. I think the modern day Patriots overall is among the best organizations in NFL history and he plays a big role in that. I will judge a TEAM based on wins and Lombardi trophies.

I of course have not watched some of the greats from the past... so am only judging by those I've seen (Manning, Brees, Marino, Kelly, Elway, Young, Favre, Warner, all get consideration).

Back to Rodgers: he's the most complete package at QB I've ever witnessed. He makes everyone around him better. His information processing is great. His arm talent is practically unmatched. His scrambling play-making ability and elusiveness in the pocket makes him all the more dangerous. He has a cool demeanor but also is intelligently aggressive.

His stats are hard to argue with as he's number 1 is just about any category you can imagine on a per game basis, has the best QB rating and TD:INT ratio in NFL history, and is a record holder for these same categories in playoff games. He's also #1 all time in points-per-drive in the playoffs (I love that stat as an indicator of offensive prowess) which means he's losing games because the defense doesn't stop people (remember Kaepernick running for 50+ yard TD's on them?).

If you isolate Rodgers vs Brady: Aaron has a higher completion %, higher ypa & adjusted ypa, more yards per game, more TD's per game, etc & (in 100 less games) significantly more rushing yards & TD's.



Who do you have as the best QB ever? Why?

[YardRat]

I am biased against Brady because of the omnipresent cheating that is evident for his entire career. Rodgers is really good and in the conversation, but titles do mean something to me, and without looking it up I don't think his road record is anything special. As far as only QB's I've seen, I still think Montana is the best. Yes, he had a good team around him for most of his career, but he was just so clutch in big games for most of his career.

As far as anybody, I wish I could've seen Otto Graham play, because he probably is the real GOAT, again without looking anything up I have a hard time believing anybody's accomplishments, both titles and statistics, can match up with him.

[Wally The Barber]

Jim Kelly, his career was short compared to Tom Brady

[jlgarsh]

If you had to pick a QB to win 1 game, I think you'd be silly not to go with Joe Montana.

[Mouldsie]

If you had to pick a QB to win 1 game, I think you'd be silly not to go with Joe Montana.

Typically seasons and careers last longer than 1 game

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

Even as a Bills fan, I was always partial to John Elway. I still call him the GOAT (of my lifetime anyway) but am like you and starting to look at Aaron Rodgers instead.

[Pennywise]

Going with the unpopular choice, Tom Brady.

IMO, it isn't even a contest.

[BillyT92679]

The answer is Joe Montana. Then Brady.

[Night Train]

Norm Snead

[Turf]

No QB has had the run Brady has had, tainted or not, lucky or not. Ultra fortunate, but the greatest ever.

[Mr. Pink]

I am biased against Brady because of the omnipresent cheating that is evident for his entire career. Rodgers is really good and in the conversation, but titles do mean something to me, and without looking it up I don't think his road record is anything special. As far as only QB's I've seen, I still think Montana is the best. Yes, he had a good team around him for most of his career, but he was just so clutch in big games for most of his career.

As far as anybody, I wish I could've seen Otto Graham play, because he probably is the real GOAT, again without looking anything up I have a hard time believing anybody's accomplishments, both titles and statistics, can match up with him.

10 season. 10 Championship Games. 6 Titles.

Still the NFL all time career leader in yards per attempt at 8.63

Elway is the best QB I've seen play. The 86-87 Broncos were inferior to teams in the AFC, let alone the thumpings they took to vastly superior NFC teams, but he basically carried them to two consecutive Superbowls. When he got a running game to compliment his leadership and passing ability, they won 2 straight Superbowls.

[sahlensguy]

My heart says Rodgers.

My head says Brady.

[Mouldsie]

10 season. 10 Championship Games. 6 Titles.

Still the NFL all time career leader in yards per attempt at 8.63

Elway is the best QB I've seen play. The 86-87 Broncos were inferior to teams in the AFC, let alone the thumpings they took to vastly superior NFC teams, but he basically carried them to two consecutive Superbowls. When he got a running game to compliment his leadership and passing ability, they won 2 straight Superbowls.

There were like 8 teams when Graham played. Still a pretty impressive run

[Mr. Pink]

There were like 8 teams when Graham played. Still a pretty impressive run

Which also means the talent pool wasn't as diluted as it is now and guys back then were playing because they actually loved the game and weren't just there to collect a paycheck.

There's two sides to that less teams argument.

[stuckincincy]

Who do you have as the best QB ever? Why?

I couldn't begin to pick the best ever, Mouldsie. It's an impossibility.

Era differences, stats, longevity, rule changes, etc. I sure haven't seen all the pro QBs, now and before tv, etc.

This QB had old-time moxie. Bradshaw did, too. Terry's my 2nd choice. I select:

Kenny Stabler:

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article...er-john-madden

[Turf]

I guess it depends on what best ever means. I mean who can throw better than Favre? Who has leadership skills? Who can win? You have Rogers, Brady, hell you could add Marino, there's Bradshaw, Staubach, Namath, Montana.

[Bill Cody]

Rodgers is the best I’ve seen. But health is a factor

[Crisis]

I hate him but it's Brady and I don't think it's even close at this point.

[Ingtar33]

the greatest season of QB play I've ever saw went like this

#1 Payton Manning Colts 09-10 -> Not his best statistical season but easily the greatest QB play I've ever seen from a QB. His team was 3-13 trash that year. He had no blocking, no WRs, no running game. And he singlehandedly dragged them to a Superbowl. It was an amazing season, with QB play that's still etched into my mind as some of the greatest performances I've ever seen from a QB, one game after another like a machine.

#2 Steve Young 49ers 94-95 -> unreal, I don't have words to describe Young's play that year. He couldn't miss. He could make a mistake. He was about as close to perfect as I've seen a QB play

#3 Joe Montana 49ers 89-90 -> Joe's best season of football, the niners were unstoppable, and Joe just disected everyone he played.

#4 Tom Brady Patriots 07-08 -> 16-1, suck it Tom

#5 Drew Brees Saints 11-12 -> Surgical. Not quite as magical as the other seasons listed, but it was unreal to watch him play. Jaw dropping.

#6 Kurt Warner Rams 99-00 -> Hard to keep this season off the list. He was just unstoppable, some of the finest QBing you'll ever see.

- After these seasons they start to blend together as excellent but generally "commonplace", the lone exception being Marino's 84 season, but then I'll never put a fish on a list of anything great. Most of the rest if I were to grade them would be a blend of Manning's and Brady's seasons, with some Brees thrown in.

As for Rogers, he never made me stand up and say "GOAT" except for the first few games this year. Up until that injury he was showing me something I hadn't seen since Manning's 09 season. In fact I was wondering if it would be a better year then Manning's 09 season up until the injury. Roger's problem is he hasn't strung together a season of excellence. Even his superbowl season (which was his best thus far) he sort of stunk it up for the first half of the year, then caught fire and played out of his mind for the back half of the season and playoffs. Still he's had some of the finest games I've ever seen a QB have. GOAT? nope. But then he's damned good. And when healthy, the best QB in the league right now.

[Skooby]

Montana. He even took the 1993 KC team and got them to Buffalo in conference championship game after he got booted for Steve Young.