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    Thanks a bunch Russiagate neo-McCarthyite morons

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...rump-barr-says

    Mueller Finds No Trump Collusion; Barr Sees No Obstruction Case
    By Chris Strohm and Shannon Pettypiece
    24 March 2019, 15:40 GMT-4

    Special Counsel Robert Mueller found no evidence of collusion with Russia but failed to exonerate President Donald Trump on obstruction of justice even though Attorney General William Barr said he didn’t find enough evidence to pursue an obstruction charge.

    .and...

    “No Collusion, No Obstruction, Complete and Total EXONERATION,” Trump tweeted about an hour after Barr’s summary was released. He told reporters in Palm Beach, Florida, that it was “an illegal takedown that failed.”

    On Russia’s hacking operation in 2016, Barr said, “The Special Counsel did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple offers from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign.”

    ...more...


    Do you Russiagate idiots realize what you've done? You've bestowed victim status on Donald Trump.

    From now on its going to be infinitely more difficult to go after him for REAL crimes and misdemeanors. Every time Trump is criticized he's going to point to the bull**** Russian collusion accusations as proof his critics are driven by bias and a regime change agenda.

    You've given the Orange Emperor a gift of moral superiority he doesn't deserve and wouldn't have without your selfishness and stupidity.

    Way to go, *******s.

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    Re: Thanks a bunch Russiagate neo-McCarthyite morons

    https://taibbi.substack.com/p/russia...imes-a-million

    It's official: Russiagate is this generation's WMD
    The Iraq war faceplant damaged the reputation of the press. Russiagate just destroyed it
    Mar 23

    Nobody wants to hear this, but news that Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller is headed home without issuing new charges is a death-blow for the reputation of the American news media.

    As has long been rumored, the former FBI chief’s independent probe will result in multiple indictments and convictions, but no “presidency-wrecking” conspiracy charges, or anything that would meet the layman’s definition of “collusion” with Russia.

    ...and...

    Nothing Trump is accused of from now on by the press will be believed by huge chunks of the population, a group that (perhaps thanks to this story) is now larger than his original base. As Baker notes, a full 50.3% of respondents in a poll conducted this month said they agree with Trump the Mueller probe is a “witch hunt.”

    Stories have been coming out for some time now hinting Mueller’s final report might leave audiences “disappointed,” as if a President not being a foreign spy could somehow be bad news.

    Openly using such language has, all along, been an indictment. Imagine how tone-deaf you’d have to be to not realize it makes you look bad, when news does not match audience expectations you raised. To be unaware of this is mind-boggling, the journalistic equivalent of walking outside without pants.

    There will be people protesting: the Mueller report doesn’t prove anything! What about the 37 indictments? The convictions? The Trump tower revelations? The lies! The meeting with Don, Jr.? The financial matters! There’s an ongoing grand jury investigation, and possible sealed indictments, and the House will still investigate, and…

    Stop. Just stop. Any journalist who goes there is making it worse.

    For years, every pundit and Democratic pol in Washington hyped every new Russia headline like the Watergate break-in. Now, even Nancy Pelosi has said impeachment is out, unless something “so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan” against Trump is uncovered it would be worth their political trouble to prosecute.

    The biggest thing this affair has uncovered so far is Donald Trump paying off a porn star. That’s a hell of a long way from what this business was supposedly about at the beginning, and shame on any reporter who tries to pretend this isn’t so.

    The story hyped from the start was espionage: a secret relationship between the Trump campaign and Russian spooks who’d helped him win the election.

    The betrayal narrative was not reported as metaphor. It was not “Trump likes the Russians so much, he might as well be a spy for them.” It was literal spying, treason, and election-fixing – crimes so severe, former NSA employee John Schindler told reporters, Trump “will die in jail.”

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    Re: Thanks a bunch Russiagate neo-McCarthyite morons

    https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/r...t-f222592f2f82

    Russiagate Skeptics Rightly Boast About Being Proven 100% Correct
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    There is nothing more epic than a Youtube video by Jimmy Dore immediately after he has been proven right about something. It’s thunderous. It’s unequivocal. And it happens a lot.

    “Now, I’ve gotten Russiagate right here,” Dore said in a new video following revelations about the finalized Mueller report that there will be no further indictments, leaving the grand total of Americans charged with Russian conspiracy at exactly zero.

    “I did that in my garage,” Dore added. “Those other stations didn’t do that. Not because they don’t have the resources I have. They did that ’cause they didn’t want to. They did that ’cause they weren’t interested in the truth. They did that because what they wanted to do was ****in’ get Donald Trump so bad they were willing to turn off their critical thinking skills and just listen to their lizard brains. And they wrecked America in the process. And we stood up against it, and we got smeared for standing up against it, and we still get smeared.”

    “Congratulations to everyone here, congratulations to our crew,” Dore said. “Congratulations to Ron and Steph and everybody, congratulations to Aaron Maté and Max Blumenthal and Kyle Kulinski, and whoever else got this right; it’s a small club, it’s a short list. And we took a lot of slings and arrows for it, and we’re still taking. People hate you when you out-left them. We out-lefted everybody, and we did it in the right way. And so congratulations to you guys, congratulations to myself, congratulations to this show, and thank God I didn’t try to get into journalism school but I tried to get into comedy first. Because if I was trying to get into that club, I would be just as ****ty as the reporters at the Washington Post, the New York Times, MSNBC and CNN, and half the Youtubers, and we’re not. We did a much better job.”


    Dore’s sentiments are being echoed around the small sphere of progressive political commentators who’ve been saying since the beginning that Russiagate was a pernicious lie advanced by secretive government agencies who’ve been plotting to shove Russia off the world stage since the fall of the Soviet Union, by the Democrats who’ve had a vested interest in avoiding accountability for their failures and malfeasance in the 2016 election, and by the mass media who’ve been reaping extreme profits by peddling the clickbait sensationalist conspiracy theory that the Kremlin has infiltrated the highest levels of the US government.

    And rightly so. It is good that these alternative media figures are puffing their chests and shouting their I-told-you-sos, because you can be absolutely certain that the people who’ve been advancing the Russiagate narrative will never go out of their way to acknowledge the undeniable fact that they have been proven wrong while there were voices standing to their left getting it right. The mainstream narrative will do its very best to pace mainstream attention away from the inconvenient fact that there was abundant evidence contradicting a narrative which monopolized public energy for more than two years while manufacturing support for dangerous cold war escalations and sucking all oxygen out of the room for discussion of progressive reforms, so it is absolutely necessary for those voices who have been vindicated to make noise about it themselves.

    “How’s this one looking?” asked Aaron Maté on Twitter, linking to a post he made last year correctly predicting the outcome of the Mueller investigation: “My prediction, FWIW: 0 indictments/claims of a Trump-Russia conspiracy. Mueller throws faithful a bone w/ suggestive wording like ‘questionable/suspicious/unexplained’ activity. We’re left w/ indictments unrelated to collusion/campaign, or for process crimes resulting from probe.”


    “Russiagate skeptics will be vindicated as we expected to be, but those responsible for this fake neocon intrigue got a new Cold War, record defense budgets, and a McCarthyite political atmosphere to denigrate opponents of permanent war,” tweeted journalist Max Blumenthal. “A waste of energy and a setback for peace.”

    “Early on, I argued with Rep. Jamie Raskin that Trump should be opposed on a principled, progressive basis — not with a phony intel intrigue cooked up by spooks and Clinton dead enders,” Blumenthal added. “Like most Dems, he went with Russiagate & wound up emboldening Trump.”

    “For almost three years I’ve been lambasted every single day for ‘defending Trump’ because I rejected that there was ample evidence for a Trump/Russia global espionage conspiracy,” tweeted journalist Michael Tracey. “You know who was really ‘defending Trump’ after all? The people who promoted this nonsense.”

    “I’m not gleeful — just disgusted that much of the US media spent 2 years spreading baseless (but very dangerous) conspiracy theories and mindlessly believing what their CIA, NSA and FBI sources whispered to them without seeing evidence — yet again,” tweeted journalist Glenn Greenwald.

    “The Mueller news is exactly what I expected and told you would happen,” tweeted Secular Talk’s Kyle Kulinski. “But relax, centrist dems, I also predicted that when Trump is no longer POTUS he will be indicted on financial crimes, and this will also come to pass.”


    Clear-eyed leftists got Russiagate right while everyone else got it wrong because they were the only group ideologically positioned to do so. People defending Trump on the right were doing so out of blind partisan loyalty while ignoring out of necessity what has long been the single most damning piece of evidence against Russiagate: the fact that Trump has been advancing insanely aggressive escalations against Russia and its allies, thereby showing him to be at least as much of a neocon-coddling establishment crony as his predecessors. Those advancing the narrative from the Democratic Party-aligned “center” are far too eager for any excuse to bust Trump and far too trusting of the same mass media outlets which lied us into the Iraq war. This leaves only the true left (EDIT: and a few principled libertarians and nonpartisans) to see things with lucidity, and only the most lucid among them saw it.

    For a clear-eyed leftist, it’s been an exhausting couple of years. The effort to hold on to facts and evidence while being buffeted by relentless waves of gaslighting propaganda has been tough and many have lost friends and allies on the way. These lies have created a highly toxic environment by leeching poison into the natural discourse and halting the progression of our species. Most people who got swept up in the Russiagate fervor were manipulated by their disgust for Trump and their desire to get him out, no matter if it was true or not. I think the great lesson here is that you can’t out-manipulate the grand manipulators. You have to stick to the truth even when it appears to go against your own self interests because your ego has levers and it can be used to puppet you. If you always value the highest interest over your self interest then you can’t be played. Demand evidence and keep demanding it until you get it. If you do, change your mind, if you don’t, stick to your guns. That’s the only way we’ll get out of here alive.

    I am really happy to see everyone congratulating each other on social media. For those of you who think this is a little unseemly, let that go right now. Pat yourself on the back and make sure you give others props too. Make thank you lists of people who held strong and send them out on social media. Write “I told you so” posts. It’s important that we mark a line in the sand right now or else the gaslighting will continue and history will be written over. Say it loud and proud that you were right, and they were wrong. The manipulators’ efforts will now go into getting people to delay their reactions for as long as possible (“Wait until we’ve seen the report!”) while they move the goalposts (“It was always about *insert anything but Russian collusion here* for me”) and/or memory hole the whole deal by saying as little as possible and moving the news cycle as quickly as they can on to the next thing. If we all stand around being polite, they will get away with it. Don’t let them. Make this one stick.

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    Re: Thanks a bunch Russiagate neo-McCarthyite morons

    Quote Originally Posted by CommissarSpartacus/
    This leaves only the true left (EDIT: and a few principled libertarians and nonpartisans) to see things with lucidity, and only the most lucid among them saw it.
    I like this term.

    I move that we use it here on a permanent basis.

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    Re: Thanks a bunch Russiagate neo-McCarthyite morons

    With the concerns right now about the lack of movement and support on progressive issues like the Green New Deal and Medicare for All, don't be surprise if this gets used as the scapegoat.

    Engagious/FPG did a small focus group earlier this month of swing voters which included eight Obama/Trump voters and four Romney/Clinton voters. None of them had heard or could explain the Green New Deal and they all said they'd heard almost nothing about Medicare for all in several months. Without swing voters the Democrats will not be able to take the White House back. Which may explain why a candidate like Buttigieg is suddenly surging (now up to 3rd in Emerson Iowa Poll) because he has the mass appeal that captures the middle but leaves the left mostly out.
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    Re: Thanks a bunch Russiagate neo-McCarthyite morons

    4 more years

    4 more years

    4 more years

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    Re: Thanks a bunch Russiagate neo-McCarthyite morons

    Republican idiots put Trump in power and now Democrat idiots have made him look like a hero.

    A true Idiocracy.

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    Re: Thanks a bunch Russiagate neo-McCarthyite morons

    Here's the money shot for the DiscoPattys and the Bimps of the board:


    Quote Originally Posted by CommissarSpartacus View Post
    People defending Trump on the right were doing so out of blind partisan loyalty while ignoring out of necessity what has long been the single most damning piece of evidence against Russiagate: the fact that Trump has been advancing insanely aggressive escalations against Russia and its allies, thereby showing him to be at least as much of a neocon-coddling establishment crony as his predecessors.
    Translation: Trump is part of the swamp he claimed he would drain.

    Suckers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haile SpikedLemonade View Post
    4 more years

    4 more years

    4 more years
    Sadly yes. The DNC is already throwing its weight yet again behind diet Republicans such as Biden and Harris

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimus Gibby View Post
    diet Republicans
    I like that term too, Gibbster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimus Gibby View Post
    Sadly yes. The DNC is already throwing its weight yet again behind diet Republicans such as Biden and Harris
    Biden will be destroyed by Trump.

    Harris who knows?

    Either way, unless Trump dies, he will get the full 8 years in office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haile SpikedLemonade View Post
    Either way, unless Trump dies, he will get the full 8 years in office.
    Nah, everyone I've talked to who voted for him is regretting it.

    Keep in mind that he lost the popular vote by several million. He won due to an electoral college glitch that his team exploited.

    The DNC won't let that happen again.

    So we'll get stuck with some diet republican (Gibbster's word) like Biden, which will spell the death of progressivism, and maintain the status quo.

    Go team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Historian View Post
    So we'll get stuck with some diet republican (Gibbster's word) like Biden, which will spell the death of progressivism, and maintain the status quo.

    Go team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightVoice View Post
    Surely a Ham sandwich or a diet Republican is better than the Mango Mussolini?
    You would think, but remember that Hillary tried the same exact ploy. She could not state what her platform was, but she made sure to say she was not Trump. This ****ed up so outside of California that she lost. Furthermore, running a diet Republicans who are nominated because they can swipe votes from the mythical middle is almost always a bad idea vs. an incumbent. Joe Biden or Kamela Harris v. Trump will be the battle of the gaffes. Also remember trying to swing to the middle rarely works. In the past 10 presidential election cycles the challenger has only won twice. One was Charismatic and fascist co star to Bonzo T. Chimp and the other was Bill Clinton, who at least started out to the left before turning into a Republican to win reelection.

    If you run a moderate you get moderate Mitt, John Kerry, and Bob Dole. I will give you that Trump is very vulnerable right now, but so were Clinton, Shrub, and Obomber and the challengers could never distance themselves from the incumbent and nor could they explain how they were any better.

    The belief that all the Democratic Party has to do is find a person with a pulse, citizenship by birth, and at least 35 summers and they will oust Trump is a complacency neither the Party or the Country can afford. Get a firebrand who will pull the country back to the left of center and you will win. Pick a Biden or Harris and you hear Russia robbed it again
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    Quote Originally Posted by Historian View Post
    Nah, everyone I've talked to who voted for him is regretting it.

    Keep in mind that he lost the popular vote by several million. He won due to an electoral college glitch that his team exploited.

    The DNC won't let that happen again.

    So we'll get stuck with some diet republican (Gibbster's word) like Biden, which will spell the death of progressivism, and maintain the status quo.

    Go team.
    It all depends on how big the progressive bloc truly is. It's the great unknown of this primary season and the follow-up will be will that bloc than coalesce around the nominee regardless of how moderate their positions or will they go third party or sit out as they did in 2016?

    If Perez thinks a strategy of appeasement is going to work for his left flank then I think he's significantly underestimated his opponent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimus Gibby View Post
    You would think, but remember that Hillary tried the same exact ploy. She could not state what her platform was, but she made sure to say she was not Trump. This ****ed up so outside of California that she lost. Furthermore, running a diet Republicans who are nominated because they can swipe votes from the mythical middle is almost always a bad idea vs. an incumbent. Joe Biden or Kamela Harris v. Trump will be the battle of the gaffes. Also remember trying to swing to the middle rarely works. In the past 10 presidential election cycles the challenger has only won twice. One was Charismatic and fascist co star to Bonzo T. Chimp and the other was Bill Clinton, who at least started out to the left before turning into a Republican to win reelection.

    If you run a moderate you get moderate Mitt, John Kerry, and Bob Dole. I will give you that Trump is very vulnerable right now, but so were Clinton, Shrub, and Obomber and the challengers could never distance themselves from the incumbent and nor could they explain how they were any better.

    The belief that all the Democratic Party has to do is find a person with a pulse, citizenship by birth, and at least 35 summers and they will oust Trump is a complacency neither the Party or the Country can afford. Get a firebrand who will pull the country back to the left of center and you will win. Pick a Biden or Harris and you hear Russia robbed it again
    For as much passion as you stir up on the left with a firebrand candidate, you're going to get an equal reaction on the right. The question how do you nominate a progressive candidate that still allows you to capture enough moderates to swing the states you need this time around? I don't know enough about the leftward democratic base to estimate a number and what the potential alienation could be by a true left candidate. It's going to be an interesting year for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Historian View Post
    I like this term.

    I move that we use it here on a permanent basis.
    Very elite. The world needs yet another label. Another division.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DraftBoy View Post
    For as much passion as you stir up on the left with a firebrand candidate, you're going to get an equal reaction on the right. The question how do you nominate a progressive candidate that still allows you to capture enough moderates to swing the states you need this time around? I don't know enough about the leftward democratic base to estimate a number and what the potential alienation could be by a true left candidate. It's going to be an interesting year for sure.
    I can tell you that Biden or Harris are not winning and nor are Klobuchar or Warren. Gabbard, probably not but really I would want her at DOD or State

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimus Gibby View Post
    I can tell you that Biden or Harris are not winning and nor are Klobuchar or Warren. Gabbard, probably not but really I would want her at DOD or State
    I wouldn’t be so sure about that projection.

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    I wouldn’t be so sure about that projection.
    I would bet on it.
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